sounds like she is not being bred at the right time and the implant and testing cost sounds pretty normal too. Vets learn billing 1-0-1 pretty early in their training, but a good vet is worth it.did you do a vaginal culture and a brucilious (sp.) test? ----- Original Message ----- From: <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> To: <shephaven@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:10 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Fw: implanting In a message dated 2/27/2006 12:34:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, shephaven@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: A friend of ours has a young bitch that has proven VERY difficult to breed. She is solid mentally and will play with the dog but under NO circumstances will she allow him near her back end. The last time we literally held her down on the floor and AI'd her.She was really pissed over that too. No results. This time (she just came in season on Saturday) our friend thought she might implant her. After checking with the Vet, she was informed it would cost her about $500.00 for the implant plus $75.00 for pj tests every other day until her bitch is ready. This could easily get close to $1000.00. Do any of you nice folks out there have any thoughts on this? Yes, my thoughts are that she wasn't ready to be bred when you had to hold her down on the floor to AI her. First, I'd have a thorough exam done and make sure she doesn't have any obstructions that could make all of this painful. And....I think you'll be surprised if you do progesterone. You could find out she ovulates early (say day 3) and was well and truly finished with having her season when you all tried to get her bred. (If you find this out, there may be no need for an implant. I'm thinking if you get the timing right, she'll stand without a fuss.) I'm with Sally though. If your timing was right and she's just a wing-ding, (to me) it's not worth the trouble. In closing, $1,000 may not be the usual amount one wants to spend on testing, implants, etc, and it's nice if they do it the old fashioned way, but IMO that's a small price for a litter from a bitch that's worth breeding in the first place. Kathy ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.0/269 - Release Date: 2/24/2006 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================