Good morning everyone, Just to clarify a few points: 1) The Two Year Lead Policy as defined in the P&P will come into affect here. I can clarify this in another post if you want when I get home. 2) You need to contact your Board members with input on such a major change. Amy Sadfir asked for the Board to consider allowing entering 2 Fut/Mat. This has merit in my estimation. I also think we should allow one change if there is a change of judge. On a personal note, I and 2 others voted against this proposed change. I did this on the basis of the impracticality of administrating the paper work. We are trying to encourage more clubs to handle their own Fut/Mat. to increase their revenues and they do not need added burdens. Also, the costs would only allow a few to take advantage of this. Think about travel, entries at the shows with each Fut/Mat. The more I thought about it after the bigger the problems became. I have to admit the idea of the handlers tyring to orchestrate this did make me laugh. Joan Joan F. Fox website: http://www.campaignersgsds.com 17500 Haskins Rd. Chagrin Falls, Ohio 44023 Home & Fax: 440-543-9165 Cell: 440-759-4119 ________________________________ From: TRAFALGAR German Shepherds <TRAFALGARgsds@xxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Amy Safdir <almanya@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 5:27:34 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Futurities/ long Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like the concept of being able to enter more than 1 Futurity...2 as the ideal, 9 seems to be over kill, although I cannot imagine anyone entering 9 regions. My concern is, that where the rationale for doing so is based on valid concerns as noted in Carolyn's comments, at the same time we need to think of how the changes could lead to abuse, such that a relative few gain an unfair competitive advantage. Being able to show the dogs when they are at or most likely at their best under the judge most likely to appreciate that dog's attributes, should be the intent.being able to size up the competition and go elsewhere where one believes they might have a more competitive (as Ann referenced), is a valid concern. If we are going to put the changes in place, I would like them to be conditional / conditioned on the basis that changes can be added/deleted/fine tuned on a year to year basis, unless changes are voted in as permanent by x% of the Board. This would give us an opportunity to determine what works, what doesn't and make adjustments without being forced to maintain that which we might discover, does not provide for outcomes as intended. Although it would entail a considerable amount of extra work, if one was to enter multiple futurities, I would like a requirement that "an intent to show" be declared for the show one would chose to participate in, say a week prior to the actual show date. This declaration could be by phone, e-mail or whatever might be considered a valid, sensible tool while minimizing the additional work load. This would minimize pre-competition assessment on the day of the show, free up handlers, etc..but I would still allow for a change or cancellation of the "declaration of intent to show", if there was a last minute judging change. The bottom line is, let's work to improve a system which allows and encourages maximum participation, maintains an even playing field and at the end of the day, provides the best opportunity to fairly assess the quality of the animals shown. Mike TRAFALGAR GSDS LTD. TRAFALGARgsds@xxxxxxxxx ------------------------------ Msg: #11 in digest From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Futurities/ long Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:52:20 -0700 I've been off the List for over two months.......so I know I'm coming into this late......but hopefully I'm not stepping out of line to give some input in response to some of the posts below. The idea of being able to enter TWO Futurities was my idea 4 years ago when I was still on the Futurity Committee..... My reasons for suggesting that an Exhibitor be allowed to enter their dogs in TWO Futurities is very simple..... ----- Original Message ----- ************************************************************************ -----Original Message----- From: edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: holly@xxxxxxxxxxx: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:58 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Futurities I agree with you. The people that can afford to will book handlers for multiple futurities, leaving others without a handler or not knowing until the last minute. People can come in and if the competition looks tough, pull out and go to another futurity with lesser quality. The handlers win, the breeders lose on this one and I was under the impression that futirities are a breeder shpwcase. My mistake! Ann www.edangsd.com ****************************************************************** ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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