Good points, all of them I have stated this opinion in the past, but will again? ? I really think that if you/we all want to back back to "viewing littermates" etc., then we need to change the Futurity back to what it was intended - a REGIONAL BREEDER'S?SHOWCASE?? ?? Everyone enters and shows their litters in their region and then you truly can evaluate litters and have truly have regional representatives compete at the National I would be very impressed to go to a Futurity and see 3, 4, 5 or more from the same litter all together in a class Jeff Pyle Windfall -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Harper <nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 1:33 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Fw: Re: 2009 pt schedule ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy Harper To: Gail BAUMAN Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: 2009 pt schedule It is interesting the AKC has formed an Amateur class at point shows. Folks are already "dumping" on that idea before they even know if it will bring MORE ENTRIES. At least they are TRYING something. Speaking of TRYING SOMETHING, I REALLY hope that breeders/owners will think about supporting the Amateur Futurity venue for another year or so. Mid-Atlantic has 25 entries for Amateur this year and Midwest also has some good numbers. It really does take time for new ideas to "take hold" you know. Then we have those Regions that just refuse to even TRY IT. Not enough time, too much work, too much trouble etc, etc, etc. Use to be we were ALL in that class at Futurities many years ago. It was not about presenting dogs to perfection, it was about bringing ALL the puppies out, viewing ALL the litter mates, and talking about the great things we got with such and such combination and how our lovely bitch just didn't "click" with that best producing stud dog and how we didn' t want to mix and match certain dominant problems AND we had FUN, it was not so tense. It was a learning experience, where we SHARED. There was no shame in saying, "hey my dog produces missing teeth when bred to such and such line or don't breed your bitch to my dog because you know Ole Roy here, he can produce very weak ears and your bitch line has that too, what about Rex, he is really strong for good ears, and etc, etc." It's was about MOST BREEDERS helping each other breed the best they could FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE BREED. What about the great news, thanks to Lew's work, of being able to nominate your litters FREE, yes FREE, PROVIDED the litter is nominated BEFORE the litter is 10 days old. Heck, you can nominate the litter before they are whelped. The entry for the Amateur is $15.00. We all need to start walking, and work up to a few miles 3 or 4 days a week. Or intice the grandchild, niece, nephew, next door neighbor kid, or the young man in the park who stopped and asked about your dog and has always wanted a German Shepherd Dog. I for one, if it is still offered, am going to enter our new litters in the Amateur, come h--- or high water I intend to be out there. The rest of you can have a good laugh as you watch. I hope I can scrimp and save enough to have a couple of the very best ones in the regular Futurity also. The high rollers can enter all of their babies in the Regular Futurity but if I win the Amateur you will see me at the National. BUT I will be PLEADING ON MY KNE ES FOR A MUCH SMALLER RING. The idea that it is TOO much trouble to feature both venues is not, to me, a luxury attitude we can afford to take. Good grief, we want bigger entries, more litter nominations , but we don't want the show to start to EARLY or go too LATE??? Will someone please explain to me how we can have it both ways? With great big entries we never started later than 8 AM and maybe we finished at 6PM. Of course I realize I am from another era (some would say a couple of centuries) Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Gail BAUMAN To: nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:10 PM Subject: RE: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: 2009 pt schedule If I could show my own dogs I would have no problem getting out there with them - however I can't, as many other people are in the same boat as I am - now with the point schedule being higher (we couldn't scrape together eleven dogs for a 3 point major in this region, NOW we have to try to get to THIRTEEN????) more people will either drop out or send their dogs with handlers, which I cannot afford to do - it is becoming far too much of a "handler" oriented breed for my taste. I will be staying home. I have a beautiful boy who only needs his majors to finish but WE CAN'T GET THE JOB DONE OUT HERE IN NOWHERE LAND. I cannot believe AKC raised our numbers for majors.....!! Gail Bauman Liebchen German Shepherds Home of 2008 SEL EX CH Liebchen's Boogie Wonderland, OFA EX www.liebchenkennels.com WE HAVE HAYLEE PUPPIES!! > From: nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: VPREZHMF@xxxxxxx; dan-ann@xxxxxxxx; Germanshepherds4Show@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > CC: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: 2009 pt schedule > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 18:46:51 -0400 > > There were 52 bitches between open and am bred when I finished out first > bitch . What can be all do to bolster interest? > Nancy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <VPREZHMF@xxxxxxx> > To: <dan-ann@xxxxxxxx>; <Germanshepherds4Show@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Cc: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 5:06 PM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: 2009 pt schedule > > > In a message dated 4/2/2009 3:02:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > dan-ann@xxxxxxxx writes: > I never thought the day would come when 13/15 is all it would take for a > major in Illinois > Sally > > > > that's unbelievable. 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