OK ....I did not want to get into another "airline war" because sooner or later anyone can find a great flight once to some place. That of course will not help the majority of us. In regards to Kim's schedule below it looks good on a post....BUT....I cannot fly out of Sacramento,Ca. ( INTERNATIONAL ) airport on Delta airlines to St. Louis....or Phoenix or Chicago or even S. Calif....or ANYWHERE without being routed through ATLANTA, Ga!!! ( That is Delta's MAIN hub ....) I have tried....it cannot be done!! I can't speak for LAX. or any of the others hubs listed ...but that is 10 hrs. or days of driving away!! . When someone quotes these flights they are not seeing the hundreds and hundreds of us that are not near those hubs! Many of us live in Phoenix, Vegas, Idaho, Utah, Oregon, New Mexico. Please consider US!!! Also....... This is NOT ABOUT THE St. Louis site!! I'm sure it has many many redeeming features!! Most of us have no problem with St. Louis in general....just not 2011.... and throwing Colorado away! THE PROBLEM IS....... most of the West Coast supports every single National that we can get to! We in the West were looking forward to Colorado as an actual reasonable centrally Western National we can get to in a day or two. Please get out your maps and see just how WEST COAST that is.............<G> NOT!! We accepted it because it is a GREAT SITE.....and it is POSSIBLE for all of us to get there..East & West. It should be considered seriously as one of the permanent sites. It would save the parent club a fortune if they would just make that decision and quit flying the National Chair and the Board all over this Country looking......and just settle it for one of them. ( AND it was profitable ) Instead.....they threw this site away!! THAT is the problem!! Now exactly how difficult would it have been to keep this site booked under contract and go with St. Louis for the year after the Pa. Centennial?? What.....is that just too easy??? We could save a fortune just having the four years booked and ready and waiting for us all to show up! Pulling out of the contract after all this time.... GOOD LUCK getting it back....and even then.... WHEN? On top of that......they made it later in the year. Now you people can talk about what rough drives and distances you have to go to get to St. Louis or Pa. or Florida or Phoenix or whatever.....but when you put a date into November..... it is an initial HARDSHIP on the entire membership in the Western part of the Untied States!!! Most of us have to drive. Did no one take Geography in this Organization?? Does anyone know what a Mountain Pass is?? Does anyone know what the Rockies are?? Our FIRST Mountain Pass to get over has 20 feet of snow on it right now......Donner Summit..... YIKES! I hear the rumble of an earthquake.....possibly the entire Western membership is falling off the National map!! Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim McNamara To: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx List All,I can't say what aircraft will be in the schedule in Nov, but right now Delta has the following flights on aircraft that can accommodate 500 crates: STL- Detroit - A319 STL- Atlanta A320, M88 and 757 STL- MSP - M90 STL- SLC - M90, A320 Those are all Delta hubs. Examples of connections: SFO-SLC on 737-800, SLCSTL on A320 LAX-SLC on 757, SLCSTL on A320 SEA-MSP on 757, MSPSTL on M90 MIA-ATL on M88, ATLSTL on M88 LGA-ATL on M88, ATLSTL on M88 I know it sucks to fly a dog - I avoid it if I can - but honestly, St. Louis is more driveable for more people than Ft. Collins was. Please don't shoot the messenger. Just sharing, from the cubicle of a Deltaflight scheduler (international).Kim Link to Purina Farms. Follow the links on the left of the page to learn about the center. http://www.purina.com/purina-farms/eventcenter.aspx I don't think that Purina farms is giving us sod but rather sod will not be needed because of the 45,000-square-foot Main Exhibition Hall with a special alpha-sport padded flooring that provides optimal comfort . There are covered outside areas that include tents. I don't know what they would do outside in that area in Nov. but they are there. I looked at the booking calendar and it doesn't look like they are hardly booked at all so no reason to be doing the show in Nov. other than folks like to see hair on their dogs for the show. The link below will tell you about the alpha sport floor. http://www.advantagesportusa.com/tennis_alphasport.asp At best they will be tight on rooms. You also are competing with 6 flags which is in the same area I followed the link to the right of the page that said hotels and dining. I found 4 hotels with a total 379 rooms. 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