I was just responding to your hyperthetical handler and his loss -- I believe there are not enough exhibitors around to have multiple specialties in any area in any short time span. That said, the GSDC of the PNW seems to be doing just fine, positioning itself shortly after the 4 May specialties and doing conformaiton only. I believe the answer is to go back to a more natural way of handling our dogs where owners have the chance to handle thier own dogs. It is the #1 reason I get when asking the new exhibitors why they chose to exhibit in the USA/WDA shows. They pay more money for the dogs, pay lots of money for training, even if they do it themselves, and the costs keep going up as the $ becomes worthless compared to the euro. But these people get to handle their own dog as it does not require a specialist to do so. They have the joy of winning with their dog. I well remember the photo of Ann Mesdag and Ginny McCoy handling their dogs - don't think they could be confused for Kent Boyles, but they were able to compete. They were not spring chickens (sorry Ann) in the photo, but they were determined, competive and the style of handling allowed "normal" people to compete. Maybe all that has nothing to do with it, but the USA/WDA get the newcomers while we keep getting older and older. Ruth Lindenhill German Shepherds <Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Right, and now which exhibitor can afford more and more entry fee's, handling fees crammed into that small window. You are making my point for me. I'm sorry Ruth I just don't believe that is helping the big picture or the sport in the long run. JMHO ----- Original Message ----- From: Ruth Scheubler To: Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx ; showgsd-l Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Futurity/Maturity Entries but on some of those weekends he will have 2 shows per day -- so this handler would actually have a few extra weekends to go to additional shows and maybe increase his take by 25% - now all he has to do is find additional clients. Ruth Lindenhill German Shepherds wrote: Assume a Handler is trying gross a 100k per year folks, if he can show at 52, weekends, or 104 shows( 2 per weekend) and has an average of eight dogs per show, his handling charges would be roughly $120 per dog. With a condensed calendar, and many OPEN weekends, lets cut the weekends by 1/3. Now he has to chare $180. to make the same annual salary. This info btw way is fictitious and only for arguments sake, to make the point M ----- Original Message ----- From: DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxx To: Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx ; TISHW@xxxxxxx ; ELG440@xxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Futurity/Maturity Entries In a message dated 3/21/2008 7:32:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: The parent club NEEDS to get involved in separating the shows within each region and perhaps extending the futurity season as well to help alleviate the stress of all those shows in such a small window of time. Oh well, back to the lurking room Mike, I absolutely agree, here in California March and April are Hell months especially April....It is near impossible to get to all of the shows and were they to be spread out it could happen. So many clubs have moved into April now my cost for Entries alone are just at $1000 this flurry of shows (yes, I am showing more than 1, or 2 or 3...LOL) . Not everyone can afford this, really I can't but am finding the way.. Add to that the expenses of getting there and handling fees ect... if I did not have someone that would work with me on this I just could not do it..... Having 4 shows in 2 days is not really the issue, the issue is that those clubs chose to move into an already busy month which is sad cause it can and will effect the clubs that do not want to or just can not do the same 4 shows in a weekend...... Deb ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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