The rules are on the GSDCA web site and are quite specific and easy to understand. One may double enter two regular futuries but show in ONLY one. If people would read the rules for the Amateur, they would see that a dog can be entered AND shown in both an Amateur and a Regular Futurity, not necessarily in the same region. It's all there for anyone who's interested. Diane Diane Silver-Strasser Silstra German Shepherds _Skatiebug'z_ (http://skatiebugz.shutterfly.com/) The online store for everything German Shepherd and then some! _http://skatiebugz.blogspot.com_ (http://skatiebugz.blogspot.com/) Skater's Blog In a message dated 3/6/2011 12:32:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, bnbgsds2000@xxxxxxxxx writes: I thought the rule was you could enter two futurities but only show in one, or are the amateur to regular rules different. The rules reallyn need to be so they are better understood. Bob Neiman / Walled Lake, Mich. Owner Barkalot's Felonious Assault AKA Brat and the other half of B'N'B Breeder/owner of UKC GR Ch.B'N'B-Barkalot's Cherish RN Co-owner of UKC ChSandyCreek-B'N'B-WC's Christmas Star AKA Echo Co-owner of Ketlyn's Black Widow Proud member of the GSDC of Am. since 1996 Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone. --- On Sun, 3/6/11, Holly Whitney <holly@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Holly Whitney <holly@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Futurities and Amateurs To: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sunday, March 6, 2011, 3:19 PM > Msg: #2 in digest > Subject: Re: Futurities and Amateurs > From: foxhavengs@xxxxxxx > Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 19:58:26 +0000 > > I would say we lost. Dogs that live with new comers but might be co-owned by a big name should not be an issue. Besides that I agree with Christine e-mail. I think some (not all) Big time breeders abuse the Amateur Fur/Mat. By entering their dogs and using unpaid handlers and then enter the same dog in a regular Fur/Mat and pay a big handler. What is the reason for this? I know a breeder that does this all the time, I mean how greedy can you get. I think the rules should change that you can not enter both. That way it really levels the playing field. Let's face it big time breeders won't enter the Amateur they will want to enter the regular fur. > JMO > Denise Fox > Foxhavengs > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry I can tell you my reasons. I entered my Maturity male in both the regular Maturity and the amateur and I'm going to show him. Why? Because I believe in the system, I want to support it and I want to have fun with my dog. My handler is awesome but I want to have some of the fun! Oh and no one in their right mind is going to call me an unpaid handler! I'm part of the reason that we are having an amateur futurity, I bugged our club into having one, I better support it. 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