[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Futurities and Amateurs
- From: foxhavengs@xxxxxxx
- To: Scharo777@xxxxxxx, hickoryhillgsd1@xxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 19:58:26 +0000
I would say we lost. Dogs that live with new comers but might be co-owned by a
big name should not be an issue. Besides that I agree with Christine e-mail. I
think some (not all) Big time breeders abuse the Amateur Fur/Mat. By entering
their dogs and using unpaid handlers and then enter the same dog in a regular
Fur/Mat and pay a big handler. What is the reason for this? I know a breeder
that does this all the time, I mean how greedy can you get. I think the rules
should change that you can not enter both. That way it really levels the
playing field. Let's face it big time breeders won't enter the Amateur they
will want to enter the regular fur.
JMO
Denise Fox
Foxhavengs
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Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 14:09:34
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Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Futurities and Amateurs
Yes
A Scharo dog won. But I had Given that dog to a friend who was at loss
for a hobby. She use to show dogs. She took her and got involved in showing.
She went on to finish a dog for Mary Tripp.
She got totally turned off by the attitudes the Old Guard had about her
win. She does not show anymore.
Who lost??? Her or us?
In a message dated 3/6/2011 12:58:07 P.M. Central Standard Time,
hickoryhillgsd1@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>Yes, the old guard gets it just fine, Carol. Read the results on the PC
site. since 2008, of the 12 possible National winners of the amateur
fut/mat. event, EIGHT of the TWELVE winners have been from well know
established
breeders, including THREE that have bred a GV or GVX, and the rest having
bred selects.In 2008, I believe a Sharo bitch won Amateur FVX. In 2009, for
whatever reason BOAF was not awarded but TWO of the THREE in contention were
from WELL KNOWN ESTABLISHED KENNELS!!!! So it would seem the "old guard"
are getting unpaid unknown handlers for their dogs. The proof is in the
results.So lets just call a spade a spade, the OLD GUARD wants to win
everything, even amateur events!! If you want to REALLY make it for amateurs,
then
do not allow anyone who has bred a national winning dog to enter, then we
can really see how many new people are really participating!!!! C
PS, For what it is worth, we have not participated in the Amateur event,
as we do not consider ourselves amateurs. A Couple of years back, I entered
a young dog, but didn't show him. what turned me off to the event was that
a well know breeder and former board member was literally hanging over the
ring, doubling his dog, in hopes that the judge would find it. I just
didn't think that was what the intent of the event was to be. That's just my
opinion, obviously others feel differently and want to win everything. In my
opinion, for us and other established successful breeders to enter and
participate would takes away from the true spirit of the event, a further
drives
a wedge between the "old guard" and newbies.
I get it.
The Old guard does not like the Amateur.
>
> You don't hear much from newcomers, so you.?
>
> But since everyone is entitled to an opinion, at the urging of those
> who
> have entered the amateur, I will state my opinion and then go back
> to work.
> I have about 12 hours of "stuff" to do today for the Futurity System.
>
>
> Actually to me, the Amateur is a vehicle to try to attract newcomers
> into
> competition. They may have a good dog, but Want to show it
> themselves.
> Maybe they have heard all the talk about politics (God Forbid)and
> don't want
> to get involved.
> When we started showing dogs back in the 70's, my husband wanted to
> show
> our own dogs. It took a long while to get good enough, maybe 5
> years. I
> just wanted to hire a handler and win. Loosing sucks with a good
> dog. But
> he persevered. HE personally finished our first champion and went
> on to
> finish about 6 more. But...he learned he himself was not
> competitive in the
> specialty ring. So there we had to hire handlers. Bob would LOVE
> to show
> in the Amateur today - but as a judge he cannot.
> My point being....our sport is dying. People today want to do
> activities
> themselves. See the surge in performance events. The amateur is an
> attempt to provide a venue for newcomers to participate and god
> forbid win. But
> with all the bad mouthing of it..all the complaints of it being a
> waste of
> time...Why would they want to enter??? IF they win they are looked
> down on.
> What ever happened to "Encourage, don't Discourage"
> Carol Moore
>
>
>
>
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