Frozen goes through the same evaluation as fresh chilled....before and after....and as Barb said enough pellets or straws are used as is needed for one breeding. The biggest problem with frozen is that you ony have about a 17 hr. window for the sperm to be viable even with the extender.......and with fresh chilled you have at least five days....so the timing has to be absolutely perfect as there is just no room for being a tad early. Therefore the insemination has to take place later than it would for fresh chilled......... I'm not sure but I think the progesterone numbers have to be about 18 for frozen........?? Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: barbara17236@xxxxxxx To: Tediginsburg@xxxxxxx ; Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 6:33 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Frozen sperm Tedi - I sure hope you aren't collecting and freezing the semen AFTER he is dead....LOL. (sorry, couldn't resist) The sperm would be compromised, to say the least. Semen evaluation is done prior to freezing, right after freezer (to see how the collection handles the freezing) , before it is shipped, and before it is imseminated. So, you will have an idea of the rating of that collection from start to finish. Frozen semen that doesn't meet a certain criteria will not be frozen, stored or shipped. However, if let's say 1 straw or pellet is rated low, another straw or pellet with a better rating will usually be shipped as well and both are used to ensure a litter. It is best for you or your vet to speak with the storage facility about their procedures so you will have an idea of the quality you will be getting. Frozen semen is the best quality there is because the sperm have to meet so many requirements just to be frozen. Semen that contains proximal droplets (premature sperm) can't be frozen, so you getting the really good sperm. Reproduction vets say that frozen implant failures are not the result of an issue with the semen but either the insemination timing, the vet, or the bitch. Barb Hively - PA DNA. It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd -----Original Message----- From: Tediginsburg <Tediginsburg@xxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:44 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Frozen sperm Has anyone out there in Lister Land done a breeding with sperm from a dog hat's been dead for several years? What kind of results did you get? edi ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================