Also if the Shoulder isn't there he'll "lift", "pound", or "crab" depending on what his middle piece is like, to compensate. Balance is the Key . I'm no expert, but I've found owners with a good shoulder think that is the Most important, Owners with a good Back think that is the Most important, Owners with a Nice Head think that...... :0) Judges usually Know the best animal I do emphasize the word Know. Gene Baker ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Cochran Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 1:53 AM To: ELG440@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Fronts I like balance front to rear. If a dog dosen't have good strong rear drive, it really doesn't need much of a front. Terry ELG440@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 1/9/2005 10:56:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, Janandmort@xxxxxxx writes: I judged in Germany this past year and I must say that the upperarm was the most prevalent fault in all the male classes which I judged. When Tedi and I started in shepherds, the biggest lack was shoulders. So, we started to breed for it, and used it to pick our puppies. One time I was in the ring with Bob Penny handling with me. He said to me, "the one thing I always know, is if it is an Asgard dog, it can move." Movement has always been a major consideration for us. I know it is politically correct to say temperament is the major issue, but for me, movement is what I want, to show, to judge and just to see in a shepherd. We have improved shoulder in the past years, and now it is not rare to see a good shoulder. If you don't know what it is, watch what the better judges put up. Tedi is always looking for the better rears, I am watching for great fronts. I don't think that has been a secret. That may be some help for anyone who is going to enter a show under me. It seems to work for me. Evan _Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ Terry Cochran www.FairwayShepherds.com www.Rightdog.com RightDog Photography --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================