Well you can certainly tell who mentored me...Fronts...over the = rears...Yeah Diane, good to have you amoungst us posting your knowledge too...we hear from so few with so much hands on experience! Yeah...best advice anyone ever gave me, keep your fronts, breed for fronts...rears can come and go...look at one of the top dogs Dallas, he fixed a lot of rears...in one breeding...gave us better follow through = or at least from what I have seen...and/or made us aware of follow through especially after many went to the extreme with rears where they weren't function able...me included...nothing like a curvey dog, but it must function. Donna -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx = [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DPiagentin@xxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:14 AM To: billgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Front or Rear??? =20 In a message dated 8/12/2007 3:45:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, =20 billgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: So i have question for you judges out there.=20 Let's take the hypothetical situation that you have two dogs that are = equal in every attribute but : Dog 1: has a great front extension but does not fully follow thru in = the=20 rear(stops before fully extending). Dog 2: has great rear follow thru but "pounds" in front due to a lack = of=20 front extension.. If I was the judge on this day, I would be a breeder judge, and as a=20 breeder would do what I felt was best for the breed. Front shoulders, = and=20 posternum are the most difficult to obtain in our breed, therefore with = all else=20 equal, temperament, clean coming and going, back, etc. I would go for = the dog=20 with the great front. =20 Rear angulation you can get in one breeding it can take years to get a = good front. =20 I have always had good fronts in my bloodlines, my first dog Ch. = Deb-Mar's =20 Beckett had a great front but did not have a good enough rear, as I continued =20 breeding I finally got a dog that I felt had it all and that was Ch. Deb-Mar's=20 Dirty Harry, Harry was the perfect combination of a mom( D-M Rockin = Robin) who had a good front and rear, excellent back and great temperament, = when=20 bred to Ch. Ticket-Man of Fran-JO, I got the perfect combination of excellent=20 front, excellent rear, back, croup, angulation. and temperament. 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