Evan, no one is limiting them from AKC awards. Please re read our mission statement. Awarding dogs w/ DQs ANY award of merit from a breed club that is SUPPOSED to uphold and value the standard flies in the face of the mission statement. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 3/14/2012 11:28:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: In a message dated 3/14/12 8:22:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, vicki.roye@xxxxxxxxx writes: Actually the Board said ANY dog regardless of DQ could win the Victor titles. If we make the Board's ruling consistent with the Parade of Greats than any dog meeting the other criterias would be able to be presented in the Parade of Greats. ILPs too?? I know I am known as a Flaming Liberal, but I see no reason that if a dog wins the scores by doing the best work, he/she should not be recognized as the winner, in all ways. If a top herding dog has a hanging ear, should we disqualify that dog from being recognized as our top herding dog? If a dog will not sit and stay, we don't say he can't be the Grand Victor. I know we want all dogs to meet all standards. But it is time to admit that performance is judged on performance. Conformation is judged on conformation. It is great when a dog can win both, or a better way to say it is, the owners have time to compete in both, but our time limits exist. Some of us still have to work, and we choose the venue to show in. A top winning dog should not be judged on another standard, (not the GSD standard, but the standard of the competition). I sure appreciate Vicki's positions, but I don't understand why we, the conformation exhibitor wants to limit the obedience people? If we decide to do that, then let's stop allowing dog to enter that won't qualify to win. And, it Fred, not Feed! I changed the heading to reflect that. But then again, I am very obedient in all things. Evan Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================