In a message dated 12/15/2005 7:39:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, Elsyd1@xxxxxxx writes: I have had two in 30 years...Both Safari offspring. 5 pointers from the group, with shepherd competition. I have no quarrel with anyone who finishes their dog without any shepherd competition. They are taking nothing from me or others, and if they are unworthy, no one will breed to them , and they will have zero impact on the breed. Live and let live. Shalom Syd Syd I agree they won't have a lasting impact but there will be foolish people at those shows who will think that is a good dog and buy or breed to them. The real point I am trying to make is that it is possible it should not be. No matter where a dog places in the group he/she should come out with the same points they go in with. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================