In a message dated 12/16/2005 11:18:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, dlauffer@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: There is a saying "20 years experience VS 1 yr experience 20 times over." I have shown in AB rings where I think the Judge is really trying to do the right thing. I have also shown in specialty rings where I have personally over heard Judges talking to Handlers and the 'Fix' is in. It doesn't matter whether it's Specialty or AB. The only thing that matters is the Judge and the owners willing to show under them. Hey guys....it's a dog show. If your willing to cheat etc at a dog show....what are you willing to do in real life? Says a lot about personal behavior and ethics.....and all the 'newbies' are watching and learning. Dee Lauffer ======================================================== Dee not sure I understand your post. But the one part I did get is that I am a crook hell I talk to the handlers all the time some of them I have known since they were babies. I just may have to turn myself in to the AKC.<BBBG> ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================