Logic 101 premise 1. all GSDs are white premise 2. Fred is a GSD conclusion. Therefore Fred is white! that is a valid argument believe it or not...the problem is the premises are not BOTH true..which is why life, politics, and other human adventures are all messed up  example 2 premise1.Teddy is a German Shepherd premise2. Teddy is Black conclusion .All German Shepherds are Black.......that is an INVALID argument even though both premises are true..politicians really use this form of invalid arguments.lol.... sorry Stormy, a bit off topic but perhaps when we make an argument on the list we may see why we sometimes go astray....lol...FB ----- Original Message ----- From: ELG440@xxxxxxx To: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 9:23:49 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Food for thought As I remember my logic classes this is one of those equations.  There are List members.  There are club members.  Not all club members are List members.  Not all List members are club members.  But, all animals are equal, but pigs are more equal.  It has been a long time since I took the class. I won't say how long ago it  was, but our text books were tablets, not like you think. These were in  stone.  Evan L.  Ginsburg gsyrfund.com Asgard German  Shepherds  _http://www.asgardgsd.com_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) Where Type  Movement and Temperament come  together   In a message dated 10/23/13 8:56:52 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  stormy435@xxxxxxxxx writes: Joan tells us there are 2500 PC members.  There are almost that  many here!  Not all PC members, but more joining all the  time ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012.  All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post.  This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org  SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================