I don't think Theresa believes that the GSD is doomed it's just me being dramatic. And I do believe that outcrossing is absolutely necessary to increase vigor and vitality. There was a person on the list yesterday that said until health is the number one reason to breed and improve our bred we will continue to have problems. I said pretty much the same thing a week or so ago. I currently have a 4 day old litter American line sire and German line dam.This is the third litter from this combo. None will ever win in a conformation show but so far the owners of the first two litters are thrilled and I still have one. Will these dogs have major health problems in the future? God only knows. I don't speak for other people but if what Theresa is trying to say is because of what we are trying to produce, conformation show dogs, we have a very limited gene pool and over time this can and will lead to things and problems we don't want. this is something I very much agree with. speaking of my four day old litter, it's 100 degree here, how long can I keep them from mom. My garage is insulated but not air-conditioned . Will be bringing everyone in the house in the next 5 minutes Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Penny & Bill <Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: The List <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:20:27 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Flowerboy, we are NOT doomed. I donât think that Theresa believes we are doomed, Flowerboy, merely uneducated. People invariably believe in the here and now and are not inclined to look backward, which is exactly what we should do when contemplating a breeding. WE ARE WHAT WE WERE certainly applies. I check old pedigrees ALL the time; with all the problems there are today, itâs the only way I can educate myself as to WHY. Breeding is still and will always be a crapshoot, albeit it educated or not. We have no way of knowing exactly how those genes are going to tumble together. As for me, I know one thing: In the 80s we bred my Ketchy (Caralonâs Ketchikan of Huslyn, CGC, CD, OFA) to a half German/American male and ALL of those puppies lived to 14-17 years of age. What a wonderful breeding. I must be dumb because itâs taken me this long to realize that I need an infusion of German blood for longevity and vitality. I am a slow learner. Penny in NC The Farm Dog Forever If anybody IS interested in the past, a great book to read would be The German Shepherd Today by Wynn Strickland. It includes many old pedigrees and loads of pictures/pedigrees of American dogs right up to the late 80s. Itâs a good book to see WHERE we came from. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================