There are times you drive for a day or two to a show or Futurity.....and one of the first things we all do before we bathe and put our dog in the ring is obviously to get them to "do their business". If the dog's stools are loose......we will give them flagyl as soon as we notice it....especially while traveling rather than risk it get worse.....and then keep an eye on them to make sure all is well. In regard to the comments about bringing "sick" dogs to a show.....I don't know of anyone DUMB enough to do that!! .........and.....loose stools do not always mean a dog is sick or dying..........<G> Pills do not always mean a person is "drugging". ALL red dogs are not dyed. If a dog needs to be "drugged" to alter it's behavior.....THEN it SHOULD be left at home to have a good life that it can handle. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: barbara17236@xxxxxxx To: EJDegen@xxxxxxx ; Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 5:50 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Apology? Considering Flagyl does not work right away, as in minutes, and some cases hours, why would someone give Flagyl to a dog just prior to entering the ring? Just curious. Barb H - PA -----Original Message----- From: EJDegen <EJDegen@xxxxxxx>To: showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thu, Feb 17, 2011 8:13 amSubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Apology? Yesterday, on this list, someone implied that a handler was seen drugging dog at the most prestigious all breed show in the United States. umerous people excitedly jumped on this like a mob. They were so eager or that poor young handler to have "done something wrong" and that gorgeous itch to be "undeserving". Why? Are they jealous or just mean-spirited r plain evil? If we wonder why dog shows are decreasing in popularity, t's not because a handler gave a dog some Flagyl, it's because of nasty eople who assume the worst and then spread vicious gossip and make mplications f the worst kind. ince the person who originally made these implications hasn't done it, 'll tell you what happened. Because of the changes in water, etc., all of he traveling, and many dogs at the show getting loose stools (and for those f us that were there, it's VERY crowded and close quarters), the handler ecided to give the dog some Flagyl before they had their debut on national elevision. ow, how about an APOLOGY from those of you who were so eager to believe he worst? Since you had no problem assuming the worst in writing on this ist, then APOLOGIZE on this list. ADMIT you made a mistake and CALL THE ANDLER AND THE OWNER PERSONALLY AND APOLOGIZE as well as post on this list a UBLIC APOLOGY since you had no problem making public implications and uppositions. hen you say "I'm sorry if I upset you", that is NOT an apology. This is hat I tell my kids: An apology does not contain EXCUSES. An apology hould be SINCERE. An apology should be written with an "I" statement, NEVER aying blame on the other person or a situation. The person apologizing ust express HUMILITY AND REMORSE. When a person apologizes, they take FULL ESPONSIBILITY and ACKNOWLEDGE the HURT AND DAMAGE that THEY CAUSED. An pology should also include how that person will change THEIR ways to make ure that THEY do not repeat their behavior. hat is written below is NOT an apology. If my kids came to me with hat, I'd tell them to go "try again" and this time be FACTUAL, SINCERE, and ake full responsibility for YOUR poor decision. isgusted, ulie Degen n a message dated 2/16/2011 9:50:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, writes: ubject: Westminster I was bothered enough by the entire incident at Westminster, that I took t upon yself to speak with the handler and try to shed some light on the entire ituation. I am sorry this was so upsetting to so many, but I am glad to ave ollowed my instinct and if nothing else, we are all learning from haste nd istakes. If the handler and I can get past this, I imagine so can the est of s. I really don't think anything more needs to be said on the subject. gain, e need to be careful what we do and how it looks to others when it comes o our ogs whether it be in giving them medication or something as simple as a orrection. 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