Interesting thing about copywrites...If they are not recorded with the US Copywrite office, they can be copied, duplicated, used, etc, and the originator has no recourse in law. You cannot sue someone for using your stuff, (Well, you can sue, but you cannot collect). You can put the copywrite symbol all over it, and it has no weight in a courtroom. I believe it costs $40. to register a single piece of original "stuff"...art, music, photos, manuscripts, etc. Syd In a message dated 11/24/2008 5:32:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Not that I'm intereseted in getting in a pissing match,. One could argue that the content is not hers(photo's and pedigrees), meaning she holds no copywrite for this information. The design might be.somehow copywritable, but even that would be a fine line.If she has created "Artwork" of the dogs, that may be considered hers and copywritable - however she used a source that was not hers, nor was she authorized by the dog's owners to use them. To some degree it's a two way street. Let me use this as an example, I considered copywritng my cute little show calendar and chatted with a CopyWrite lawyer. His opinion was that I was using readily available information therefore it is was not copywritable, I then asked about the format I designed for the display, and he thought that was borderline and would not likely hold up under a legal battle With that said, if she is approached by the PC web committee and declines to allow for migration so be it. Her information is easily replicable and a matter of public/club records and I will push for the inclusion of more historical information like this on the PC website. So we reformat it, and be done with it. Mike the wizzer ;-) M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx, rightdogphoto@xxxxxxxxx Cc: "DaList" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 6:07:11 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re:Ferrum and History of the breed and breeders I can tell you this. Jo-Ann designed our web site. Now myself and my son in law maintain it as she helped me reach that point.......but I keep her name on at the bottom as the originator of our site. She was an awesome talent and yet did everything as I wanted it with sound advice and was very co operative and easy to work with. I can also tell you that I asked her at that time if she would incorporate her Select GSD site on my site since BOSS was on there along with a couple others from him........and she adamantly said ABSOLUTELY NOT! She created it and it was hers and absolutely not to share with anyone. If anyone wanted to look at it.........they had to go through her site!! I don't think I would do that......she was very seriously opposed to any of her stuff being used or copied. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Lindenhill German Shepherds To: rightdogphoto@xxxxxxxxx Cc: DaList Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:46 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: History of the breed and breeders I decided to copy the entire SEL GSD site ;-) so I now have a copy. Most of this data was collected with the assistance of Joan, Dorris etc.. So my guess is they(Ferrum) wouldn't mind if we migrated their site to the GSDCA since they stopped managing theirs in 2002. M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Scheubler" < rightdogphoto@xxxxxxxxx > To: "DaList" < showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 1:32:40 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: History of the breed and breeders I wouldn't be too hard to create as long as we had the photos. I would think that since the Review has the photos of hte Selects for every year, the photos should be available to he club and the additional art work should not be overwhelming - well�at least�on the� years there are less than 38 selects :-) The format they have is certainly simple enough. Ruth ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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