I can tell you this. Jo-Ann designed our web site. Now myself and my son in law maintain it as she helped me reach that point.......but I keep her name on at the bottom as the originator of our site. She was an awesome talent and yet did everything as I wanted it with sound advice and was very co operative and easy to work with. I can also tell you that I asked her at that time if she would incorporate her Select GSD site on my site since BOSS was on there along with a couple others from him........and she adamantly said ABSOLUTELY NOT! She created it and it was hers and absolutely not to share with anyone. If anyone wanted to look at it.........they had to go through her site!! I don't think I would do that......she was very seriously opposed to any of her stuff being used or copied. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Lindenhill German Shepherds To: rightdogphoto@xxxxxxxxx Cc: DaList Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:46 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: History of the breed and breeders I decided to copy the entire SEL GSD site ;-) so I now have a copy. Most of this data was collected with the assistance of Joan, Dorris etc.. So my guess is they(Ferrum) wouldn't mind if we migrated their site to the GSDCA since they stopped managing theirs in 2002. M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Scheubler" <rightdogphoto@xxxxxxxxx> To: "DaList" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 1:32:40 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: History of the breed and breeders I wouldn't be too hard to create as long as we had the photos. I would think that since the Review has the photos of hte Selects for every year, the photos should be available to he club and the additional art work should not be overwhelming - well�at least�on the� years there are less than 38 selects :-) The format they have is certainly simple enough. Ruth ________________________________ From: Lindenhill German Shepherds <lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: shadowland22000@xxxxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:26:43 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: History of the breed and breeders I don't know Morgan I think the site owners did, they may be out of shepherds now. So I hope the PC Web folks can negotiate with these folks to add it to our GSDREVIEWED site M ----- Original Message ----- From: "MORGAN LEWIS" <shadowland22000@xxxxxxxxx> To: lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:59:55 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: History of the breed and breeders now i got a question, who did the art work, it is beautiful, morgan Morgan and His Angels Precious, OFA Princess, CGC, TDI, GSDCA Health Award "RAW" fed, No Vaccinations --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Lindenhill German Shepherds <lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Lindenhill German Shepherds <lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: History of the breed and breeders To: lollark@xxxxxxx Cc: "Da List" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 12:47 PM Karen, I don't believe there is a more current book. The web has made much of this info available to all. I would suggest looking at the GSDREVIEWED site under breed information on the parent club site. And of course you can trace through the selects from the nationals for the last 10 years or so. The ferrum/8m site is still up and running and lists selects for the past 40-50 years or so. http://www.ferrum.8m.com/selgsds/index.html The pedigree database also has some nice complete information as well ----- Original Message ----- From: lollark@xxxxxxx To: "Da List" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:35:45 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] History of the breed and breeders I was rereading a book The German Shepherd Dog Today (Strickland and Moses) and enjoyed seeing the greats from 20 some years ago. There were many kennel names that I no longer see. Is there a book that is a history of the kennels, dogs, and breeders throughout the history of the breed. I'm new so don't know which people are associated with what kennels. 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