Puppy is still doing better. I'm still giving sub Q fluid only less. She has gained . 5 ounce. I must confess I gave a few drops of the liver juice. Can ya strain that stuff, reheat it. I My vet thinks I'm nuts. My concern is aspiration i.e. Aspiration pneumonia. She's doing better now an I sure don't want to loose her by being over zealous. I just want to mention this puppy was very vigorous at birth I neglected to notice she was getting pushed off the nipple by the big guys.and she spent too much time on the heating pad .(85 degrees) thus getting dehydrated So If I didn't have my head up my a.. She would have been fine. If she was really weak from birth I may have let her go. I don't believe in heroics Thanx again for all the help. I don't monitor the list as I did in the beginning because of all the craziness but its sure nice to know your there if I need help jim ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================