Ask AKC. I have no idea. When I handled dogs, the AKC rule has always been that you can't handle 4 months prior. Jeff never ever showed for my Mom or myself. I was supporting an entry at a local club who in the past counted dogs to hold the major. Jeff was showing a dog for a friend of mine, needed a major to finish. The judge had liked the friends dog in the past. I emailed Jeff and asked him if he had an opening in bitches. He said yes. I did ask if he was showing under me in June, I co own the bitch.- knowing I was judging a month later N. He said "no". I never gave it another thought! Amazing, one of the fall outs is the Winners Bitch from the National. I do not personally know the owner, I do remember her crying when she won The National. So gracious when people said congrats, seemed to love her dog. My booking a filler caused the removal of her BIM or BOM. I just knew the 4 month rule. I heard a judge whom I battled with on the list sent a letter to complain a month ago. .. after the Fut/Mat wins in April. I thought nothing of it, the 4 month rule was not broken. I have searched, no rule under AKC judging guidelines. Maybe the AKC is over German Shepherd complaints and they drew a line? Perhaps Carmen knows? I have had a good number of emails from judges on the list in private. They want to know why AKC made the ruling, because they understood the rule as 4 month prior. That is clear in the judges book and Fut/Mat contract. BTW: Do not blame the PC, they had to follow the AKC. I am sooooo sorry for the people this hurt. It was not intentional and I am to blame. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Ginger Cleary" <cleary1414@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Call me confused... if there was no violation of AKC rules, why did they > take away the win? > > > Ginger Cleary,Rome, GA ww.rihadin.com > The essence of Government is power; and power, lodged as it must be in human > hands, will ever be liable to abuse. ? James Madison > Member GSDCA > Member Sawnee Mtn Kennel Club > GA Director Responsible Dog Owners of the Eastern States. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of > lindabankhead@xxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:17 PM > To: rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx; gsd showlist; Lindabankhead@xxxxxxxxxxx > Cc: Kathy Tank > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: FUTURITY FINALS GETTING SMALLER BY THE DAY, > ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST > > > LOL. You write a post filled with horrible words, accusations, innuendos. > I set the record straight with an honest account of what happened, along > with mentioning AKC rules were not broken. And the reply below is your > reaction. > No wonder people hate this list. I am bleeding for the owners and judge, > and you thank me for clarifying what region this occurred in. > > I am sorry I ended any further controversy and spin and mud. > > The facts are what they are. No foul play. > > With respect... Lindab > > See you in a few weeks. Wish you the best. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Kathy Tank" > > > Linda > > Oh it was the South East Futurity?, ok....well thank you for clarifying. > > That's why I asked. > > Kathy > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > On 10/4/07, lindabankhead@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > > > > > > Hi Kathy > > > Indeed you are correct, it was the Southeast. Here are the facts: > > > > > > > http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com > > > > Ch. 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