For flies, I use desitine in the ears to prevent problems As for that vet, I agree with SUEM .. GET A NEW VET. Testes go up and down= . And if they go up and the ring closes, they are up there, dissolving. WHile the surgery = is slightly more complicated, the vet should ahve just checked him PRIOR to surgery and not= after getting him ready. Ocne prepped, he should have just altered the poor thing! Dr Zo=EB M Backman http://wynsumgsd.com Support Your Vets and POW/MIAs ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================