I am sorry for whoever wrote this. Obviously he/she has not been exposed to a lot of American lines. If you raise an American puppy as a schutzhund puppy, he can be a schutzhund dog or a working dog. My daughter has done so. If you raise a German puppy to be quite and docile, he probably will not be a schutzhund dog. The drive and intelligence is there in American dogs. But most Americans do not want to develop it. It is a lot of work. Most Americans have a worse ethic than their dogs. If you start at 5 to 8 weeks, American dogs from reasonably intelligent parents can be trained to do what comparable German dogs can do. I've had both. Biting my tongue, I have heard over and over, "she could have finished" I choose to finish mine instead of training them. That is where my time and energy goes. But I've studied "drives" and know how to utilize drive reward to create a "show" dog. So stop putting down my dogs intelligence. ANd YES YOU DID! Carol Moore In a message dated 12/5/2006 2:30:47 P.M. Central Standard Time, vomkristallaugen@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: I'm sorry for the one who said American lines can do anything the Germanlines can do...I don't completely believe that. Schutzhund being one of them. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================