In a word.... bullpucky, LOL! I don't believe it for a minute. I ran a COI on Geneva (and hence Ginny) and though the COI for Geneva is only 5.03%, R-Man is 25% of blood. Lance is 20.95 with a 1.92% contribution to COI.. STILL. Lance is back a ways and still influencing the pedigree. One of my mottos... never say never. A couple of examples... the bi color (no tan) in Collies is supposedly bred out of the breed. It is supposed to no long exist in the breed. And yet... a breeder in TX a few years ago had both a bi-black and a bi-blue pup show up. DNA tests were done and it was definetly purebred. No "visitors in the woodpile", LOL! Irish Setters have been bred solid red now for decades and yet red and white STILL comes up. Same goes for Golden Retrievers where the occassional black pup pops up. Ginger Cleary Rome, GA www.rihadin.com <http://www.rihadin.com> Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it. ~Thomas Paine -----Original Message----- From: Bob Freeny [mailto:rfreeny@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 3:12 PM To: cleary1414@xxxxxxxxxxx; nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Showgsd-L@Freelists. Org' Subject: RE: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Eukenuba .... It has been said that dogs that go back more than five generations, don't matter. I find that hard to believe. What say you? --Bob Freeny ----- ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================