When I brought home Stormy, our first Malinois, she was 6 mos. old. I tried to kennel her, but she escaped and wreaked havoc on my kennel building and yard. Then she became a house dog. When I would put her in the yard to potty (only a few minutes at a time) The neighbor kids would come knocking on the kitchen door with Stormy in tow. I checked the bottom of the entire fence but didn't see a place that was insecure. It took me a while to catch her, but I discovered her escape route....she was jumping the 6 foot privacy fence. Turns out, she was also jumping the 6 foot kennel walls way back when. (She also jumps the 5 foot pasture fence to get to me when I am in with the horses.) Then, I started paying attention to the kennel facilities of people who have working Malinois. It seems that all kennels are secured (cannot be scooted, lifted, peeled, etc.) on concrete, and all have a 'lid'. A gap in fencing is an invitation in the mind of a Malinois. Crates are little challenge to her either. She will, first off, avoid a crate at any cost. If tricked/forced into one, she will destroy the door, or whatever is convenient for her. She once escaped a plastic crate --while wearing an elizabethan collar. Furthermore, she despises the restriction of wearing a collar. She is so fast and wild that I used to try to keep a collar on her when travelling so I would have a way to grab her if need be. She has removed and destroyed more collars than I can count. It's her world....I'm just living in it. lol Linda Legato German Shepherds *and the Sch3 IPO3 Mini-Mal Wonder Dog* http://www.geocities.com/legatogsd ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================