You are both right. Lee your post was SPOT ON. Jeff, we all know, and maybe have even stood ourselves or with a new person and marveled "Wow, how can an average b/t dog compete amongst this.?" How sad. Can you IMAGINE how daunting this would be to a novice? But you know, they DO compete and WIN...big Manny, Patriot, Ruby, (I know I am forgetting some) the cream will rise to the top...even if they do look a little like cream (smiling) , and I applaud the OWNERS, HANDLERS AND JUDGES for not letting that stand in the way of a great dog. Kathy http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com Home of : CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs CH. Victory's Leviathan CH. Garter's E-Male of Fran-Jo Anne Isle WEBSITE PUP-DATED SEPT 22, 2008 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================