Ed-I agree with every thing you say BUT the problem is who will do the critiques of the judges? A Breed Survey was tried years ago but if your dog did not survey well the problem, in the owners mind, was not the animal but the person doing the survey. A similar thing will happen with a critique of judges. The supposed problem will not be the judge being critiqued but will be the person doing the critique. One of the best systems is the German system of continued education and observations of judging. We have a different mindset than the Germans and our judging system involves over 150 breeds while the German system, which I admire, has only one breed to be concerned with. D.D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwin Hill" <edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "freelist" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Education and Judging Dogs > The best way to improve education is to improve the teachers, when this happens the students automatically receive better educations....I think the same holds true for the sport of conformation dogs....the best way to improve our dogs is to improve THE JUDGES....and this is not going to happen through an act of nature...it will only happen when the AKC allows public critiques of its judges...why should AKC judges be above review...my wife never buys a car with out checking into Consumer Reports...and notice I did not say public criticism of judges, I said critiques..when I was an under graduate student at San Jose State in 1972 very few students ever signed up for a class with out looking up the teacher in a publication called the "Tower List"...all full time faculty teachers were listed and critiqued...that book keep me away from some bad teachers.......when I start teaching full time in March I am going to be watched, reviewed and critiqued constantly...and If I do not do a > good > job, out the door I go....something like this is way over due in the sport of conformation dogs...yea yea..I know ...it will never happen.....but it should...Ed Hill > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. > > For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org > ============================================================================ > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================