Evan, Please keep on keeping on. Goodness know these same people = complaining about the list now, weren't complaining about the list = when they were running for office. I saw these complainers when they = were running for office, working the crowds for votes. They told = people what they wanted to hear to get their votes. They make Irish = politicians look like amateurs. And I told a couple of them so to = their faces. I am sure they thought I was joking. I was not. I think you make it very clear where your information came from. And on a personal level, I enjoy your reporting on the West Coast = shows.. It give us some insight of the days events. Regards, Bob Van Winkle VANDERWERTH -- Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: showgsd-l Digest Wed, 25 Jul 2007 Volume: 04 Issue: = 2853 In This Issue: #1: From: ELG440@xxxxxxx Subject: the person who knows #2: From: ELG440@xxxxxxx Subject: The information is avialable #3: From: Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx Subject: Re: Evan #4: From: "Penny & Bill" <Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Race, Dogs and Sports #5: From: Kate Syssoloff <rockannand@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: puppy death #6: From: ELG440@xxxxxxx Subject: All you need do is ask #7: From: "Norma Ramey" <gsdramey@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Evan #8: From: Kate Syssoloff <rockannand@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: I was told by the person who knows ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Msg: #1 in digest From: ELG440@xxxxxxx Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:33:14 EDT Subject: the person who knows = In a message dated 7/25/07 9:37:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, = nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Gosh, I can't help but wonder how information comes out so twisted. Letters received which "disallowed wins" from the NW Futurity were = from THE AMERICAN KENNEL CLUB, they were not from me, = That is what I was told. I was told they were to return the awards = to = Nancy, which is the right thing to do. I do think the AKC should = have worked with = the GSDCA on this since it is a club event, but I can't argue that = the AKC = sanctions it, and therefore has the right to act as it did. = = It is a shame for those animals and the owners who won, but rules = are = important, and if broken do have consequences. = Evan_ Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) = http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all- new AOL at = http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Msg: #2 in digest From: ELG440@xxxxxxx Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:36:05 EDT Subject: The information is avialable = = In a message dated 7/25/07 10:03:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, = PAGAIRS writes: =2E I really think from now on instead of some listers believing what = = Evan is = posting...get the facts straight cause Evans facts arent. I have never suggested that anyone believe anything I say. It is = just what I = am told, and I try to say where I hear it. I know that Gary now has = the = information about the photography at the National, and I have asked = him to post = it, so that everyone will know what is going on. I know it, because = Gary told = me so. = As I said, it was to be limited, but evidently that was a mistake, = not by = me, but by the report. Gary and the board will take care of it. It = would be nice = if he or someone else who has the report would let everyone know = what caused = the problem. = Evan_ Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) = http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all- new AOL at = http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Msg: #3 in digest From: Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:36:26 EDT Subject: Re: Evan = = = = In a message dated 7/25/2007 1:24:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, = gsprock@xxxxxxx writes: If I had to make a short list of people I would believe unconditionally, Evan would be at the top of that list. He is an asset to the club, and to his many friends too. =3D96Gail I second that Gail! Molly = Trillia German Shepherds since 1972 ph 409-287-3940 Member GSDCA, GSDCC, GSDC of Beaumont, Life member CKC "Never be afraid to try something new. Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic" ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all- new AOL at = http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Msg: #4 in digest From: "Penny & Bill" <Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Race, Dogs and Sports Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:37:38 -0400 Flowerboy, When you're right (and that's most times) you're right. Morality, = goodness, what's right (and wrong) are NOT dictated by race, hip, = hop, middle class or ANY class. Parents try and sometimes don't = succeed in instilling good moral values in their kids. = Penny in NY ********************* = Vick did what he did cuz that's who he is and that's what he wanted = to do....plan and simple...life is simple, we just go out of our way = to complicate it...Ed Hill ------------------------------ Msg: #5 in digest Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:36:58 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: Kate Syssoloff <rockannand@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: puppy death Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A trick I learned from an old Quebec farmer so long ago .. Taste = everyth=3D ing you feed your animals yourself (well, forget the tripe and canned). = =3D20 Farmers smell and taste everything before they buy it... =3D0D =3D0D Kate=3D0D >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=3D0D =3D0D I actually had some dogs die from kibble many years ago. The sodium = % wa=3D s=3D0D So high, they literally drank themselves to death. Lost puppies from = CH.=3D ------------------------------ Msg: #6 in digest From: ELG440@xxxxxxx Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:39:11 EDT Subject: All you need do is ask = = In a message dated 7/25/07 10:29:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, = PAGAIRS@xxxxxxx writes: I think Evan really needs to either quit reporting = Everyone has an opinion. I sure do appreciate Gary's. While so far = I don't = agree with him, if enough people do, I will go along with it. = I think blaming the List for running the club is much like blaming = Talk = Radio for running America. Reporting what is going on does not make = it true or = important. Information is to be received, considered, and then given = the = weight it deserves. Nothing else. = Instead of asking for someone to quit reporting, why not report what = you = know, and let others decide what to listen to? It seems to be what = democracy is = based on, but I could be wrong. = I will check with Larry Flynt. Evan_ Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) = http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all- new AOL at = http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Msg: #7 in digest From: "Norma Ramey" <gsdramey@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Evan Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:38:56 -0500 I'll glady second the mostion, Gail. He's an asset to Da List or = what ever = this is as well. The man has gone way beyond the call of duty in many cases for German = Shepherd Dogs and their people. Not to worry folks, all will be well and = come out = in the (magic) Bye for now. Norma no L ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Gail Sprock" <gsprock@xxxxxxx> To: "ShowGSD List" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 12:56 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Evan If I had to make a short list of people I would believe unconditionally, Evan would be at the top of that list. He is an asset to the club, and to his many friends too. =3D96Gail =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the = original = author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of = any = kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author = AND of = the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN = ANY = MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS = PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS = EXPRESSLY = FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION = WILL BE = PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at = admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = ------------------------------ Msg: #8 in digest Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:41:42 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: Kate Syssoloff <rockannand@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: I was told by the person who knows Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=3D"utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nancy, I did not State any of the information below. My email addy = has b=3D een incorrectly placed on top of a statements that belong to Evan. Now = this truly IS twisted.=3D0D =3DEF=3DBB=3DBF =3D0D Kate Syssoloff - Rockannand GSD 1-604-826-9619=3D0D In Beautiful British Columbia, Canada=3D0D SEL INTEGRA~SEL PATENT~FV SOLEIL~BIM THE TANGO~EKO-LAN'S FORTUNE=3D0D http://www.members.shaw.ca/rockannand=3D0D =3D0D -------Original Message-------=3D0D =3D0D From: Nancy Harper=3D0D Date: 7/25/2007 9:53:49 AM=3D0D To: ELG440@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D0D Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: I was told by the person who knows=3D0D =3D0D Gosh, I can't help but wonder how information comes out so twisted.=3D0D= Letters received which "disallowed wins" from the NW Futurity were = from T=3D HE=3D0D AMERICAN KENNEL CLUB, they were not from me, Nancy Harper.=3D0D =3D0D =3D0D =3D0D =3D0D In a message dated 7/24/07 11:51:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=3D0D rockannand@xxxxxxx writes:=3D0D On another note, I understand that all those who were awarded = Futurity=3D0D wins,=3D0D under Paul Root have had those awards canceled, and been asked to = retur=3D n=3D0D the=3D0D ribbons.=3D0D =3D0D >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=3D0D =3D0D No Nat Fut representation, then? Says who?=3D0D =3D0D =3D0D =3D0D =3D0D So as to avoid the claim that I am starting rumors, I was told this = by on=3D e=3D0D of the Futurity winners under Paul I was told that all the winners = now ha=3D ve=3D0D a=3D0D letter saying that the awards are revoked, and asking them to return = the=3D0D wins.=3D0D I was told it was from Nancy.=3D0D =3D0D I did not take a position on this, as I was not involved. But, I = cannot=3D0D argue that this is an improper result. Everyone should have his or = her o=3D wn=3D0D opinion on what should have been done, but evidently a decision has = been=3D0D made by=3D0D the person who was given the authority to do so.=3D0D =3D0D =3D0D =3D0D =3D0D Evan_ Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/)=3D0D http://www.asgardgsd.com/=3D0D Where Type Movement and Temperament come together=3D0D =3D0D =3D0D =3D0D =3D0D =3D0D ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all- new AO=3D L=3D0D at=3D0D http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour=3D0D =3D0D =3D0D =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D 3D=3D3D=3D =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D 3D=3D3D=3D =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D 3D=3D3D=3D =3D3D=3D0D POST is Copyrighted 2007. 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