We are debating something without having enough facts to have a debate. That leads to emotional battles instead of sensible sharing of ideas. Kathy, why don't you do exactly what you said. The next step would need to be - gather information and present a complete outline of a program of testng. We need facts: Can it be done? How will it be done? Hair/blood/urine/saliva/???? How will samples be collected and handled? Who will do it? Specifics Costs? How will it be paid for? Safeguards for club and exhibitors. (there will be litigation) AKC reaction? Once there is an outline with all the facts provided, we can actually have a discussion. Until then we are just raising everyone's stress level. So, for now, I am lookng forward to seeing the proposal and hearing a civil debate on the subject. Ruth ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================