Kathy, That is what I am saying, if this is a problem then call them out. Period. I don't have my head in the sand and I have never seen a salmon dog. Or an orange dog. I don't think there is one?valid reason for not testing. But I also don't see a vailid reason for not walking up to someone you see dyeing a dog and saying, I am going to report you. Period. I don't care about the politics either stick to your guns or don't. That is your call. I have recieved emails saying this is not prevalant, that is why I said "Is it or not?" Saavy competitors should know better that to let it slide. If you don't call them out how do newcomers know what and who to not get to know or what example to not follow? It is hard enough to win with the competition out there, I don't have the time or inclination to let cheaters slide. As I said I have not heard of this or seen it?before but you can bet my eyes are wide open now and since I am a nobody in this game, I sure as heck will report anyone I see doing it, no matter what problems there are. I agree, you can't clean up what you don't acknowledge. I am educating myself everyday! I think I could definately pick out a dyed dog especially if I saw it happening.... I am not even arguing with you, I am just quesitoning because I don't know for a fact whether it is true or not. Pam -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Tank <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx> To: culzeans1@xxxxxxx; Showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:15 am Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: EH ?? First of all Pam you need to educate yourself on altering appearances...No it is not legal.? Secondly since our Board and others were embroiled in a legal issue at the National, and there was already a pall cast over the whole show because of it...I felt the timing of filing a Bench Committee on dyeing, would have been poor. I don't have to name names...most everyone that is a saavy competitor already knows of whom we speak, at least the biggest offenders...there's lots of little ones too.? The testing will bear this out.? If you have not seen it, then open your eyes and LOOK. ? Ask yourself, why so many black/red , orange , salmon , or other abominations?? If you have not eye to pick out the dyed dogs, then ask someone who can spot it to show you. I have never seen an Olympian take steroids ...but it is tested for, because it does go one.? I have never witnessed an MLB or NFL player do steriods...but it goes on..... Don't bury your head in the sand (collective "your") .? Again, not one valid reason for not testing...not one. Kathy Tank? ? ? http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com Home of : CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs CH. Victory's Leviathan CH. Garter's E-Male of Fran-Jo Anne Isle WEBSITE PUP-DATED SEPT 22, 2008 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================