Terry -- I'd say there is plenty of dyeing going on all over the woods. It's definitely not restricted to certain areas. I'm hoping that more of the people that seem to have a blasé attitude about it will start to realize that we're in serious jeopardy of becoming a "fake" breed in regards to color, and that what you see is NOT what you get. I'd rather see a dog that is honestly faded. No big deal. As Kathy Tank has said, it can be greatly improved in one generation. If we don't get a handle on this thing, the day is coming soon when washed out pigment is the rule, not the exception. Historically speaking, the surest way for a problem to become dominant is for everyone to stick their heads in the sand and ignore it. tom elkins Firethorn Temple http://www.firethorntemple.com -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Terry Cochran Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 5:02 PM To: rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: EH ?? But you didn't answer my question who get charged in the case I stated. The owner or the handler? Maybe there is more dying going on in your neck of the woods. I haven't been to a CA show for a while? Terry --- On Sun, 10/5/08, Kathy Tank <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Kathy Tank <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: EH ?? To: fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx, "Showgsd-l" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 2:05 PM Terry obviously no matter what anyone says, you will not agree. That is your option. It is NOT a hobby, for example Eukanuba rakes in 11 million a year for the Challenge when it is held there. Now our Specialty is not that big, but don't ever think it is "just a hobby" . Maybe for you, but it is a business and profitable one for many. It is backwards thinking to run from the problem. I would pose the alternative question...Why not try? Why the worry about testing, if people are innocent? If you send a dog to a handler conditioner, then maybe the OWNER should have enough of a spine to tell them, or maybe contractually state DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES DYE MY DOG!! Maybe the owners should do their homework on a handler /conditioner BEFORE THEY SEND THE DOG. Again I have yet to hear a single valid argument against it...not one. http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com Home of : CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs CH. Victory's Leviathan CH. Garter's E-Male of Fran-Jo Anne Isle WEBSITE PUP-DATED SEPT 22, 2008 On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Terry Cochran <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx>wrote: > What I find amazing is that this is a hobby for most. If it is as bad as > you say it is then why > ===========================================================================P OST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. 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