In a message dated 12/4/2007 5:21:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx writes: I am going to have to disagree with you on this one. I judge Dobes, Boxer and Great Danes and trust me they double handle. It is just that the GSD for some reason has had this terrible reputation for years and they are watched closely. Lee Great Danes did double handling ,long before GSDs. Our method of judging has changed in 50 yrs. There was a time when you just walked,and/or gaited for many laps,maybe for as long as 1/2 hr at different speeds. There was even a time when another handler could come in and relieve you--just ran in,grabbed the lead ,and did his two laps--then the original handler would come back ,continuing on with the dog never stopping. Many times the judge would just sit down and not even look at the dogs,while the dogs were circling the ring I remember ( the first time in Dallas) I was handling one of Ernie Loeb's males at the National. Virginia McCoy was helping me--taking her two laps.then I took over again,and then she came in again,and ended up being on the dog when he won. This was a frequent occurrence. We all helped each other. At that period of time of judging,the dog was posed by walking into the stance with bait. I always had liver in my pockets or mouth No double handling. needed . You posed your dog,got examined then gaited. gaited and gaited some more. I often sent my owners up in the bleachers to not distract the dog. I wanted the dogs full attention. When the AKC stopped the interchanging of handlers,it wasn't because of GSD's but because of the "grandstanding" of well known all breed handlers,walking into the ring at the last minute,to take over a dog,and winning. But it sure affected our method of handling,both in gaiting,and posing. Helen Miller Fisher **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================