* Forgot that attachments do not go through, so here it is - LONG! 11-10-2006 Editor, Northwest Seniors News 4159 Cherry Ave., NE Keiser, OR 97303 My sister, who lives in your fair city, sent me a copy of your November Edition with markings all over the Front page lead article entitled 'Dogs in Pursuit.' She, probably like many of your readers, is an animal lover and took offense to the characterization of dogs by the retired K-9 officer you quoted. She thought I ought to respond. I suppose she thought that because, I might be uniquely qualified to do so. I am also a retired police officer and have been involved with German Shepherd Dogs for over 52 years. I got my first one at age 15, and now I am, well, in my golden years, so they tell me. So, I am familiar with police work, K-9 dogs and, along the way I have accumulated some educational credentials also. I hold a Doctorate in Theology, and Masters in Psychology and a few other fields. Not sure why I have such a fascination with education and dogs, but I do, and, if you will pardon my bluster to establish my credentials and credibility, I will join my dear sister in disagreeing with your fine K-9 officer. I am quite familiar with the mentality and the general view of dogs that he presents. It is neither new nor unique to the profession of K-9 handlers. Many police agencies own the dogs that are used in the K-9 function, and ?loan? them to the officer for their assignment. I am not aware of the arrangement made with the Eugene Police Department, but it is common for the status of the relationship and purpose of the dog to create a context of understanding of the animal. That is, the dog is a tool, used in the pursuit of violence. The dog is there to be an effective instrument of force in the apprehension of the criminal. OK, the dog is used for more than that. It is a public relations expert (they are good at that), it is a search and rescue instrument, it is a visible symbol of authority, and many other things, but primarily, it is a tool, an EXPENDABLE tool to protect the officer and to get the bad guys. I was once reprimanded for going into a burglarized building to check it out before sending in my dog. Yes, I was protecting the dog, and in that function, that was a reversal of rolls that was not justified. But, I loved my dog more than life and, well, my sister would understand. In your article, the officer is quoted as saying, "Dogs have no loyalty, they don't really bond with humans," Frost explains, saying that "we tend to anthropomorphize our relationship with them. Instead, dogs respond to whoever feeds them and takes care of them. To a dog, the entire world is a pack, or a sub-group of a pack, and they respond accordingly." I certainly would not argue with the fact that we ascribe to our animals characteristics of our human frame of reference. That is our perceptions, not just of ourselves and our animals, it is an inescapable reality that we not only have, but 'are.' But I will argue with the conclusion that, the simple fact that we do that, (ascribe to our animals, human characteristics) does not mean that our conclusions are wrong. To draw that conclusion would argue that animals do not have human characteristics; they do not reason, think, love, feel similar emotions and cannot comprehend our thinking, feeling or motivations. Your article did make that conclusions in the statement, "Dogs can't think; they don't have problem-solving skills. They don't do anything they haven't been trained to do or haven't seen before." That is certainly a convenient position when your animal is an expendable tool of your trade, but when it is your best friend or your surrogate child, that is simply unacceptable. But, even if we choose to make the dog our child when in reality it is not, and it is only responding to stimuli that we cannot comprehend, our ascribing to it our emotions and thought patterns would be none-the-less wrong. So, what is the truth and how shall we find it? Most of we animal lovers will respond with our observations and our experience. Scientists would set up experimentation to study the behaviors and document their observations. Certainly arguing from experience is flawed if our observations are not objective and our 'realities' going in are stained with biases that we cannot see. So let me argue as best I can from my own frame of reference: I am a professional with some education and training and over 50 years of experience. Biased: Yes! Objective: Somewhat. A social scientist: Yes! An animal behaviorist: Only in the sense that my experience might have some value. So, here goes.. Meet Khi. Khi is a German Shepherd Dog from American Show Lines. His father was an AKC Select Champion and Schutzhund III titled dog, Sel. Ch. Deanson's On Broadway SCH III. His mother was our seemingly very smart, "Baby!" Khi never ceased to amaze me. But if I conclude that he did not have human characteristics, then what shall I conclude??? 1. Khi did not like to be confined, or, OK, so, if I am wrong, he did not have likes or emotions like that, but he would not stay in his yard none-the-less. He would open the gates of the 6' chain link fence and go into the front yard and lay on the grass awaiting our return. Scolding did not work, so I padlocked the gates. He then opened the doors, went into the house, opened the front door and went into the front yard to await our return. So, I put dead bolts on the doors, locked them when we left and when we returned, yes, you guessed it, there was Khi awaiting our return. So, I left, drove around the block and conducted dog surveillance, only to watch him jump up, grab the top of the fence and pull himself over, then into the front yard to await our return. Next I ran a strand of wire around the top of the fence, on insulators, and then plugged it into an electrical fence charger. I knew I had finally won. I left in confidence, knowing this was the final act of human mastery over this dumb animal. When I returned, there was Khi, lying on the front lawn. I discovered that the fence had shorted out, so I reset it, put Khi back in the back yard and then again, did dog surveillance to see what was happening. Sure enough, Khi went to the fence, stood on the fence, placing his nose very close to the electric wire, then stood back down on the ground, put his right foot on the fence and started rocking it until the fence came into contact with the electrical wire and shorted it out. Then again, he placed his nose near the electric wire, and apparently sensed that it was off and then over the fence he went. If I am wrong about my assessment of his reasoning ability, intelligence and emotion, then I can only conclude that he had been trained to do this by some phantom that snuck into our yard while we were gone. I could talk about his antics forever. He never ceased to amaze me. 2. Meet Mandy. Mandy is also a German Shepherd Dog from American show lines. She is probably the most stunning German Shepherd I have ever seen, and it appears that she loves my wife, Linda. Since love is the emotion we assign to our bonding with our dogs, and since, according to this article the dog does not bond, then how do I explain Mandy and Linda. When Linda goes somewhere, Mandy sets at the door awaiting her arrival and appears to be sad, which of course she would be incapable of if this article is correct. When Linda returns, she jumps for joy, or at least that is what we thought, and talks to her is tones that make us both think that Linda is the focal point of her life. But who feeds her? Must be Linda right? Wrong!. For years Linda had her own business and would leave early, while I would get up later and feed the dogs. It didn't matter who fed, Mandy belonged to Linda. It was her choice and there was nothing anyone could do about it. My own conclusion was and still is, that here was a highly unusual bond of love that came from some dimension outside of our natural earth. Heaven had determined a relationship of Woman and dog that was stronger than life itself. Again, I could give endless observations about this relationship and the sense that Linda did not have to tell Mandy what to do; Mandy knew intuitively what Linda was thinking and responded accordingly. And I could go on with experiences with the now hundreds of dogs that have been in my life and under my observation. I can only conclude that those social scientists who propose the line of reason that is reflected in your article are far smarter than I am, or have never lived with a German Shepherd Dog, at least not one like mine. Do they think? One of the basic tests of the dog's soundness as a puppy is to show it a piece of food and then hide in under a can or bowl and watch its reaction. The reason for the test is to determine if the dog can reason that the food, although not visible is still there. I've never had a German Shepherd fail to conclude that the food is somewhere to be discovered even though it is no longer visible. Do they feel? We have many characteristic we assign to our emotion of love. Loyalty, trust, passion, - you name it; love is a powerful force for we humans and makes our world go around. If our dogs do not bond, and are incapable of the passions we understand as love, then what are the characteristics of our relationship? How do we explain the historic 'bond' between the dog and humanity? Is it simply that we have the emotions and the bond, but the dumb animal is simply trained to make us think that they are feeling something similar, all the while just securing their food supply? Sorry, I do not buy it. In fact, I have concluded quite the opposite: That the dog is capable of a greater form of Agape (unconditional) love than we humans are. They will love and be devoted to people who are incapable of returning the commitment. In fact, I wonder if God did not give humanity the dog to allow us some reflection of Him. Now, you have probably already received enough letters on this one to fill up a small room. And mine does not fit into your word count guidelines, but I just felt like responding. I am a dog lover as you can tell, and I have no reason to believe that my dogs do not have a similar emotion toward me. To the contrary, I have several years of experience telling me quite the contrary. I'll bet I have a lot of support also! Thanks for listening, David E. Fritsche Th.D. High Sierra Shepherds Ranch 3755 Bacon Rind Rd. Reno, NV 89510 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. 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