You haven't met Zolar he could fold the darn thing in half and sit on it. It kept him busy for hours. One thing that makes the mats easier to deal with is to drill a nice round hole in one end big enough to get a rope through. They are a lot easier to drag that way. They are heavy and there is no way to get a really good grip on them. Like Kathy says the real beauty of them is that they are heavy and stay where you put them most of the time. Terry Kathy Tank <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: On 6/20/07, Terry Cochran <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Unless you have a gorilla as a kennel helper you can't move the mats to clean. The ones that I have weigh 100 pounds each. Terry Linda Delarso <jolingsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Do the horse mats get too hot in the summer? They don't seem to get hot, but then all our kennels are covered.Well at 5'5' I am no gorilla I have moved them, but yes with help it is easier. They are not so heavy but "bendy" the weight of them is part of the beauty...the dogs can NOT bend up a corner to chew...and they will NOT wear out. Kathy --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================