In a message dated 7/20/2005 4:51:29 PM Central Daylight Time, tsaligsds@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: have a completely different take on pitbulls. I work in the fighting capitol of the south - Atlanta. We have too many to number breeders of fighters. The Professionally bred fighting dog is not a threat to humans in any way, shape or form. These dogs have been bred and CULLED for generations to get a wonderful temperament with people. FYI - all three sets of fighting rule contained one requirement - there must be one judge and one handler PER DOG in the ring during a fight and NONE may be known to the dogs. Results - if a dog showed ANY type of aggression toward humans they were immediately destroyed and "daddy" was ashamed/insulted as if someone told him his son played with dolls (remember these were the "good Ole Boy" set.) Professionally bred fighting dogs of the old fighting lines do not pose a threat to humans. Infact, they are among the MOST stable kids dogs' you can find. Move into the present......... We now have primarily drug dealers and other ner' do wells, who want a 'tough' dog and the rappers made the breed infamous. These small time "doggers" as they call themselves wanted a tough dog who could fight at teh Sunday afternoon picnic and also guard the family's stash. So they took a very human gentle breed and turned them into killers! They did this by breeding from inferior "cull" lines and crossing in other stuff - We've heard everything from Dingo to any of the various Mastiff breeds, to Tosas. The problem with breed bans is that theyare not being projected properly from a public safety standpoint. Once pitbulls are gone the "doggers' will move on to bigger and better. We are already seeing this in Atlanta. After the death of the LaCrosse teacher in California everyone around here started calling their pit/rott crosses Pressa's and started selling them like hotcakes. Within the past year we have been impounding Corsos, Pressas, Tosas, and Filas. Imagine your local police officer going in on a drug bust only to face 200 pounds of dog specifically bred to kill humans. Until our legislators understand that its not teh breed, but teh way these animals are raised, we will continue to have human deaths associated with dog bites as a greater and greater rate. Every one of us should be campaigning with a very thoughtful slogan. ITS THE DEED, NOT THE BREED. -- Suzanne That's what I meant. I think we are more in tuned than you think, but thanks for the history lesson. Seems like you have done a bit of study on the subject, and I respect that. I can just remembering as a child seeing fighting pitt bulls, and being told to stay clear. They were all tied to small dog houses, and very aggressive. With my own eyes I saw these dog for what they were, killers. Nothing I would sell to the general public. That was many years ago, 50 +. Possibly now of days, it may be different, but I doubt it. One thing for sure it is THE DEED, NOT THE BEED! Randy It is, in the final analysis, the owners not the dogs. On that we agree. Randy ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================