[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Dallas and sons

  • From: Cynthia VanDenBerge <vande001@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: Show GSD List <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:14:34 -0700 (PDT)

I think that we should be nice to each other, but when one offers a dog at 
public stud it opens the door for discussion amongst fanciers.  That is the 
only way we can get at the truth (slowly but surely).  So, while I think 
bashing and being mean is uncalled for, certainly discussion...pros and 
cons...is appropriate and proper.  If you can't take the heat, get out of the 
kitchen...<g>   Cynthia
--- On Mon, 9/21/09, Anne Thompson <Jagan-shepherds@xxxxxxx> wrote:


From: Anne Thompson <Jagan-shepherds@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Dallas and sons
To: lindabankhead@xxxxxxxxxxx, "showgsd-l" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 1:39 PM


I too, like Linda, wonder if it is wise to jump into the frey, but feel I 
must.  I saw Dallas  and his littermates for the first time at the Balston 
Spa shows when Belle Starr was being campaigned by Jim.  He was just a very 
young dog then and he was without a doubt my pick of the litter.  If you 
know me, it all about the total package to me with dogs.  First is 
temperament and then I want all the dogs parts to be balanced.  When I saw 
Dallas the following year,  I told Jim I wanted to breed Belle Starr to him 
when she finished her campaigning. I felt Dallas had one of the most stellar 
temperaments I have seen in a dog, and he truly was a great package in a 
dog.   We did I and I got Happyanunoit.  This all came about before Dallas 
was campaigned by Jim.  I am extremely pleased that I made this decision, 
and clearly it was made before all the hype was out on Dallas.  Had I the 
chance to do it over again,  YOU BET!!!!!!  I agree with Linda,  how would 
you feel if someone were talking about your cherished love one like this.

Anne Thompson #343743
Jagan-shepherds@xxxxxxx
www.pamperedchef.biz/annehthompson
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <lindabankhead@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "showgsd-l" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 7:27 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Dallas and sons


> Â have pondered on whether or not to jump in for a few days; and then I 
> thought about how I would feel if it were my dog being discussed via such 
> a public forum. With a lot of people who read but never post, you wonder 
> who is reading the comments. They read the threads and believe it as 
> truth. (FYI: I have no ties to Dallas or his sons; but I have seen many 
> stud dogs and owners torn up unfairly over many years.)
>
>
> I don't think anyone can deny that Dallas did a lot for our breed. This 
> is evident through his sons/grandsons who are producing many of today's 
> winners. IMO Dallas gave us beautiful type, bone, soundness, and 
> consistent type. Like many ROM dogs, it took the owners promotion to get 
> ROM's and Red Book /Top Producing status. At the end of the day; no matter 
> who promoted- the progeny won based on their own merit. Kudos to those 
> that can accomplish. It takes dedication and hard work to promote an 
> animal, ask anyone who owns an ROM. Â Do we have to beat up the those that 
> worked aso hard to get these titles?
>
>
>
> Â I go to the shows and hear "so and so produces xyz fault" and it is many 
> times unfair. Any dog who is heavily used will throw every single fault 
> you can think of. The greater the number of progeny, the more prone to a 
> problem cropping up. Bitch owners forget that the dam was responsible 
> genetically for 50% of the problems. Just as an example, I popular ROM 
> GVÂ stud dog from years back (not Dallas lines) has been labeled as a 
> "producer of bloat."Â When I asked the commenter for specifics, she said 
> "abc dog" out of this sire died of bloat. Ok, but how many progeny in 
> general lived long healthy lives? The people that own these popular stud 
> dogs will tell you what they feel are "issues". They don't want people 
> breeding to their dogs that are not a good fit.
>
>
>
> I think all of us are concerned that our gene pool is getting slim. 
> Because these Dallas and his sons produced so well, many breeders 
> wisely used them. Now, we have created a bubble where the winning dogs 
> go back to the same bloodlines. All dogs genetically carry good and bad; 
> the question should be where to take the progeny from these lines to open 
> up the gene pool and compliment the good. No bloodline can be successful 
> by continually breeding back into it. As fewer people come into our 
> sport, we have less animals/bloodlines to breed to. Where can we take 
> these animals and continue to improve, add some other genetics?Â
>
>
> It just seems very unfair to single out bloodlines via this forum. It is 
> hurtful to many who love their dogs. Ask any owner of a GV how the dog 
> they loved was torn apart.Â
>
>
>
> Respect goes a long way when you are talking about the dog who sleeps at 
> your fellow dog owners bedside. Imagine if this was YOUR DOG people were 
> talking about on the list. I am sorry, IMO it is just wrong.
>
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