Thanks! I have been waiting for someone to mention that all of these "great" progeny also had mothers & some of their success has to be due to the dam's - 50% of the genes! In fact, some of the bitches may be contributing many of the good qualities. One time I had a very nice bitch from very good bloodlines but not inbred on those lines. Anyway, I bred her three times (the most that I will ever breed). There were dogs (males) from each of the three breedings that looked almost like twins. The sires of these litters were NOT related to each other in at least four generations. Congratulations to all of these progeny being discussed & BOTH their sire and their dams!! Sandy At 12:04 PM 9/14/2009 +0000, you wrote: >My intention was not to review Dallas's direct or indirect contributions - >I am very aware of what they are. But rather to ask the question of >whether any other dog(s) with similar strengths would have accomplished >the same or perhaps even more. >by benefiting from the formula that he did. >I don't deny the success, I analyze it honestly to determine its value to >me as a breeder and how it came to be > >Additionally I wanted to give particular credit to those breeders with >fabulous bitches who produced those sons that are better then the father >in all aspects, since the original poster had omitted their contribution >completely >Kudo's to the momma's who I think contributed far more then you think, >particularly to those at the top of the heap. > >regards, > >M Sandra Kozub KcK Kennels http://iweb.tntech.edu/rkozub/kennel.htm ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================