How do we know those dogs were the ACTUAL dogs tested? Remember, a while ago it was brought up that the "honor" system was being used for the actual swabbing? No witness or vet involved verifying chips or tats? And, some questioned how one would truly know if that dog was swabbed or not? Well, perhaps, these are those cases? The best thing to do is do the test, keep the records, and necropsy the dogs. Barb Hively - PA DNA. It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd -----Original Message----- From: Pinehillgsds <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> To: vande001 <vande001@xxxxxxxxx>; Showgsd-l <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2012 10:51 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: DM...awful thing Yes, absolutely. have been blessed by not experiencing it, and to my knowledge not roducing it, but I have paid particularly close attention to pedigrees. dmittedly "staying away" was due to dumb luck in the beginning... nyone who knows me also knows I don't think the test is "there" yet and 'm not entirely convinced the DM that hits other breeds is identical to what they are now calling GSDM. efore you all get you knickers in a twist that doesn't mean I haven't sent the test off as I have done DNA for other things (black & coat facor). o far 3 boys tested, 3 boys n/n. And all 3 carry the coat factor and two carry the black factor...it's etting a 'lil dark around here <G>). am not promising future puppy buyers their puppy will never come down w/ his dreaded disease though. I still think we are in the research stage nd I am extremely troubled that "carriers", (per the OFA's test) that echnically should not have developed DM were proven to have DM at necropsy. athy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC elebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions isit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) n a message dated 6/7/2012 9:10:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ande001@xxxxxxxxx writes: I have a question for da' List; we have been talking about testing for DM, ut does anybody feel that this disease is related to a particular line? have not heard this, but was wondering. It is so sad to see what seems o be an epidemic of this terrible disease. I can honestly say that I do not ot anyone in my circle that has not been touched by this disease. I have been involved with this breed for almost 40 years and it seems that over he last 10, I am hearing so much more than I ever did before. Maybe it is he way we communicate today, I don't know. e should have one of the strongest and hardiest breeds around....they hould be able to work all day and exist on dirt if need be (an exageration of ourse) and live to a hardy 12 or 13. They should not need fancy diets, uffer from digestive issues at the drop of a hat or be so darn sensitive hat they are coddled like some toy lap dog. f anyone has an idea about bloodlines being tied to this disease, I would e interested to hear it...privately of course and held in confidence. ynthia (who has gone through it and is probably going through it again). =========================================================================== OST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the riginal author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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