I would rather cut down a tree with a dull saw, then with no saw at all. The DM test is but an indicator. If you breed a carrier to a carrier, you can expect a problem, or not. If you breed free to free, so far from what I have seen, you will not get a carrier or positive in the puppies. I know some carriers are showing up with DM at necropsy. But, all that means is that the bar is higher than we thought. What will finally give it up is when we have a dog that tests positive for DM on the test, and never shows up with it. That won't prove a thing, other than the dog died too young. However, when we get a negative test and then the dog does show up with DM, with a necropsy, we will have an answer. As it stands today, each individual has to decide what to do with the test. Having suffered with DM, owning the number one stud dog in the country that may have had DM, and may have passed it on, (before the test was available), I choose to use the test, avoid breeding DM into lines, and test anything dog I am going to breed. I am not a big time breeder, so that is not a big deal. However, I did find a stud dog to use that tested negative for DM. I first picked the dog, then checked on the test. Doing it the other way around would be a problem, in my mind. But, as a flaming liberal, let me remind everyone that you should do whatever makes you happy. Evan L. Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together In a message dated 5/24/12 8:10:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ropajagsd@xxxxxxx writes: If a saw cannot saw, I certainly can't saw anything! A tool is something you can use to assist you in whatever it is you are doing...if the tool does not work properly, then how can it help me? ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================