[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: DJD talked to Dr Keller/OVC not students
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- To: sanderhaus@xxxxxxxxxxx, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 15:16:28 -0400 (EDT)
Sort of. The way it was explained to me is that UAP and OCD could be seen
on an x-ray and would be noted (that part we agree upon).
I was told if there was any wear and tear they would rate it as DJD 1,2 or
3 and when they couldn't see anything else, automatically assume FCP.
FCP is always checked when there is the result of DJD, even though it is
not visible on the x-rays.
It is explained on their web site:
The fragmented coronoid process occurs at 4 to 10 months
of age. Unlike a UAP, an FCP may not be visible radiographically
(Fig. 3). Fissures in the cartilage or slightly irregular
articular margins would be the least abnormal (Figs. 4 &
5). These changes are not evident radiographically, but the
resulting degenerative changes would eventually become evident
radiographically.
Definitive radiographic identification of FCP often is not
possible because of super-imposition of the radial head over
the medial coronoid process. In addition, the central radiographic
beam rarely intersects the cleavage line in a parallel
manner.
The diagnosis of the FCP is typically from the secondary
degenerative changes that result from the abnormality (Figs.
9& 10, page 5). These are seen as early as 7 to 8 months of
age but may not be evident until maturity. These are osteophytes
located on the proximal and lateral aspects of the
anconeal process. Similar changes on the medial humeral
epicondyle and medial aspects of the joint develop as the disorder
progresses. Sclerosis between the proximal radius and
ulna and/or an increased humeroradial joint space maybe seen
on a lateral projection.
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As far as OVC, no, not students...it is/was their head honcho. I just
pulled out an OVC form to get you a name. This was the last dog I did, someone
wanted to use him before he was 2 so I sent the x-rays up to OVC because
they used to give a permanent # at 18 mo. The vet was heather Chalmers,
DVM, Diplomate ACVR, Assistant professor, Radiology. certainly no student
<VBG>.
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/
In a message dated 7/21/2014 1:04:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
sanderhaus@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Ironically I talked to Dr. Keller today. I wanted a clarification of this â
DJDâ. Have no dogs with it but have inquired about a dog whose films were
just sent in to OFA that I had some interest in.
i asked why they donât put more than DJD on elbow results?
he said they do if it is visible. he said DJD is the side effect of one of
the 3 elbow dysplasias, UAP, FCP or OCD. He said UAP and OCD can be seen
on the x-ray so they would note it. if it is FCP it is a fragment that
cannot be seen by anyone as itâs inside the coronoid process and is not
visible
on the films. He said if the result says DJD and nothing else, it is caused
by FCP (fragmented coronoid process) which is elbow dysplasia. DJD doesnât
happen alone. DJD is the side effect of ED. Period. So if vetâs canât see
ED thatâs because itâs FCP and OFA canât either.
Why did some pass OVC? I wonder too. Maybe because they are students and
not as experienced? I have no idea. Certainly not looking for a debate.
Trying to further educate myself thus the call to OFA.
OFA also is not saying a dog with DJD 1 will progress to a 2 or 3 grade.
this is also all on their website. Just that DJD is the result of ED.
Something I surely didnât know.
susan
Sander-Haus German Shepherd Dogs
www.Sander-Haus.com
Members of GSDCA & GSDCA-WDA.
Signers of the GSDCA Breeders Code of Ethics
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