This is all so confusing. I don't understand how a dog can be pronounced as having DJD and then after several years & re-x-raying there is no trace of Degeneration - this is really a shame because there may be stud dogs and bitches that are never used due to this diagnosis that could have been Dominate for some of the physical attributes needed in the breed. Also there are select dogs and bitches that are eliminated from the AOE award that Have everything else to quality. Nancy Harper -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carolyn Martello Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 12:23 PM To: paravelgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: DJD?? Had a similar experience. Had a bitch years ago that our Vets ( who X-rayed many OFA dogs) thought would clear OFA easily. Came back as DJD on one elbow. Had several Vets read the X-ray including UCDavis, and the only thing they could figure out that made OFA unhappy was that there was a tiny slight "pimple" looking bump about 2 inches down from the joint on her leg bone. Nowhere NEAR the joint! The joint was fine! ( why they called that DJD is beyond our Vets and our understanding ) With the DJD the co owner spayed her....and worked her in heavy Agility competition till she was almost 10 yrs. Had her re-X-rayed at 6 yrs...NO changes. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.marhaven.com -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Sheri Chambers Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 8:42 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: DJD Years ago I had a bitch that had pano when she was older, almost 2 years. I took her to an orthopedic specialist and was diagnosed as pano. When it came time to OFA she came back with DJD on one elbow. Once she got through the pano she never limped again. For some reason she was x-rayed around 6 and the vet said the shading was there in the elbow but it pretty much looked the same as when she was 2. So if it's called Degenerative Joint Disease it sure didn't change in 4 years. Sheri Chambers > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 08:11:41 -0700 > From: dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Questionaire > To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Just cdurious: > > 1)Anyone had a dog ofa for elbow DJD? > 2) had that same dog had PANO? > 3) In later life did that dog ever show signs of DJD? > > Morgan Lewis, RPh. > Member GSDCA > President Last Hope of Georgia 501c3 > "So Much to Do, So Little Time" > ===========================================================================> POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. 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