In a message dated 1/20/2010 9:38:55 A.M. Central Standard Time, dgshwpromo@xxxxxxxxx writes: Seems to me it was 84 or 85. They were in herding group when I came back to showing for sure. I seem to recall hearing about it in my non dog years..... sheila 1983-- when it was split. I was only doing the complete Herding Group ,as an AKC Judge, and it was slit ,so I had both Groups( Herding & Working) then--started me on my way to try for all breeds. Ended up with 5&1/2 Groups plus 5 Toys. The way they are approving Judges now is ridiculous. I'm glad I did all that back then. Helen Miller Fisher ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================