Ah, here we go again - memories - Helen's words below reflect my own situation pretty much! Indeed the years mentioned and all are so similar it got to me as I read the post! However, the length of mine weren't quite 20 Feet. I'd noticed in visiting many folks that the dogs just don't make a straight 20 foot at a time run, unless there's something at the end of same. Generally, they'll just ease back and forth with each other. Oh, -- something that, to me, was important Most kennels are 4 ft. wide, not mine as I didn't want tails banging against the sides so they were 5 ft. wide. TNX for sharing. as usual --- Norma no L ----- Original Message ----- From: <VPREZHMF@xxxxxxx> To: <BonJenShepherds@xxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <CHGermanShepherdShowDogsList@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <Germanshepherds4Show@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:58 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Concrete kennel runs? In a message dated 7/17/2008 10:22:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, BonJenShepherds@xxxxxxx writes: I am redoing most of my runs in concrete (all but 2 for youngsters). Anyway, what is the best pitch to put in the concrete for drainage? Also could those with concrete runs please let me in on anything I should know before diving into this big project. ************************************************************ I had a 3 inch high cement curbing between each run,so no running water between runs . My slope from kennel exit opening into run down to the end of the 20 ft run was a four inch gradually drop. I had cement gutter at the end of all 12 runs I had the cement work done all at one time . The curbing enclosed the bottom of the posts and bottom of chain link fencing that separated the runs I had them finished with a slightly rough finish ,so no slipping and sliding. Very secure Lasted for 40 yrs,until I closed my kennel 8 yrs ago . Helen Miller Fisher ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================