What would be interesting is if every GSD sire and dam needed to be DNA'd and had to pass every test that OFA offered for the GSD before they could be AKC Registered. Now how many breeders would there would be? Does every breeder really know correct conformation of a dog and how they are suppose to move? Conformation plays a very important part in how a dog moves. The Breed Standard is intrepreted differently by many breeders how many really know it. With the way so many GSD's are conformed and move today these dogs do not conform to what I and others consider to be Breed Standard. The white GSD breeders I know that show, test their dogs for every OFA test they offer and yes also DNA their dogs. The problem is there are way too many off-color puppy-mill breeders giving them a bad rap. But still the most important thing is health and temperament. When a GSD dies before they are 11-12 years as I know it use to be how can we base whether a dog is white to determine that. Theresa On Tue, 2/28/12, Anja Heibloem-Stroud <anja_heibloem-stroud@xxxxxxx> wrote: It's interesting to hear all the "problems" with those "off" colors. I wish people would get as concerned about those other little problems we see in the breed. You know temperament problems, bad rears, slip sliding all over the place, front ends waving at you as they struggle to move around the ring. Labored movement that wouldn't last if they really had to work. I love to see movement pictures, and then wonder why peole are bragging on those dogs with their hocks flat on the ground as they move, that's not suspension folks! Neither is the front legs way up in the air. Slab sided dogs, dogs as long as freight trains, steep croups, pin heads, tiny teeth with lots of space between each one. Bad temperaments being excused away (yes, I mentioned that already!). Health problems. Folks, as it stands now our American show dog is pretty much a laughing stock of most average people. Now, I realize we have made improvements, but if you think we don't have these problems, well you bet ter take a closer look the next time you go to a specailty show. Oh, and I don't breed whites, or any of the other colors, although I did produce some livers back in the 80's. You know the nice thing, people are still free to make a choice here in North America as to what they want to purchase. So now when I get home from work, I expect to have my inbox over flowing from people pissed off at me! Go for it people! Anja Anja Heibloem-Stroud www.pet-net.net/hausmekon/ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================