I was only going to send this to Jamie but I thought what the hell. Put up the shields Scotty. Jamie when I sell a dog I stress that if they S/N the guarantee is void. I don't sell dogs that are not good enough to breed. If someone tells me they will fix one of my males I won't sell them a dog. They should be responsible enough to NOT let their dog run loose and breed indiscriminately. A lot of dogs die from the operation. If the owner is responsible there is no need to cut them. After all they let any moron lunatic human breed they let mentally retarded people breed. My dogs are better than they are. And if my dog does fall under one of the above groups I don't sell them I put them down. As to having an OFA # before using them for breeding I can think of some damn nice dogs that would not be in the gene pool if that were a rule. One for instance would be 3 time Select Houston of wildwood. And I have been told that had the great Axel Dieninghauserhide been x-rayed he would not have been good enough to breed to. Now take him from the gene pool and about 99% of the great dog in America would disappear. Including Your wonderful Leroy. Look I am not saying we should breed to crazy or crippled dogs what I am saying is you must be careful what you wish for and want. The answer to most of the problems in out breed can be solved with breeder responsibility. I don't believe anything else will work. If you breed GSDs you must take responsibility for what you breed. Kathy Tank is right. The bad breeder will always find a way around the rules. Fred PS I have only put two down in the last 25 years that I can remember. They wanted to eat people. I have pulled dogs from public stud. And I have openly told people of any problems I have found in what I have bred. ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================