I just saw a special on this, and it was fascinating. If it is a lion and
tiger, it depends which is the male and which is the female. If it is one
way the offspring is sterile and the other way the offspring is fertile.
There were many other combinations, and some you would never think of.
Many could reproduce. With a horse and a donkey, I think the same was true, a
male horse or a female horse. So, the reproduction thing was not the
deciding factor.
If you can find this on television, it is a real eye opener. Some of the
combinations are beautiful.
Evidently there is a lot of interspecies breeding. Maybe that explains me
more.
Evan
http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/
http://www.dogshowjuniors.com/GSYRFindex.asp
http://asgardgermanshepherd.com/
In a message dated 9/13/2016 3:16:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Your argument is with zoologist scientists who in 1993 reclassified
Canines and wolves as being the same species to make this brief one of the
most
qualifying factors to be considered as belonging to a particular species is
the fact two animals that breed and their offspring is fertile! A horse and
a donkey can breed but their offspring "mule" is sterile ... An lion and
tiger can breed and their offspring ' liger' is sterile! A wolf and a dog
can breed and their offspring is VERY fertile... Now you are free to believe
what you want.... I'm just giving you the science..... Domestication has
absolutely nothing to do with species classification... Domestication by man
is why most dogs look nothing like wolves Ed
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Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Dogs vs. the wolf in intelligence
You will never domesticate a wolf. They have the same ancestors, but they
are not the same.
That is like saying a tiger is like a kitten. I don't care how much you
work with the tiger, he will never want to sit on your lap, or be tame.
Just ask Roy.
Evan
http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/
http://www.dogshowjuniors.com/GSYRFindex.asp
http://asgardgermanshepherd.com/
In a message dated 9/13/2016 2:48:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
There are lots of differences between wolves and dogs, just as there are
lots of differences between Great Danes and basset hounds, still all of them
are of the same species! Domestication is something done by humans. Ed
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Sent: September 13, 2016 at 2:34 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Dogs vs. the wolf in intelligence
As someone who had a friend that always owned a wolf, I can tell you there
is a difference. A wolf is never domesticated. A dog most often is.
You can get a wolf to put up with you, but they remain a wild animal.
Evan
http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/
http://www.dogshowjuniors.com/GSYRFindex.asp
http://asgardgermanshepherd.com/
In a message dated 9/13/2016 10:21:57 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Dogs ARE wolves ( they really and truly are) Ed
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From: john lacher
To: kathy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: freelist
Sent: September 13, 2016 at 9:16 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Dogs vs. the wolf in intelligence
Kathy,
I also wanted to thank you Thanks for breaking that block of ice that has
made the last couple of weeks so COLD on the listserve.
John Lacher
_john.lacher@gmail.com_ (mailto:john.lacher@xxxxxxxxx)
On Sep 12, 2016, at 9:10 AM, <_kathy@jokaysedona.com_
(mailto:kathy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) > <_kathy@jokaysedona.com_
(mailto:kathy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) >
wrote:
Dogs Are Less Likely Than Wolves to Solve Problems on Their Own
A recent study involved 10 pet dogs, 10 _shelter dogs_
(http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2015/10/09/adopting-shelter-dogs.aspx
) and 10 wolves given three opportunities to open a puzzle box (a covered
plastic container containing a bit of sausage, with a rope that would open
the box when pulled)._4_
(http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2016/09/12/dog-socio-cognitive-advancement.aspx?utm_source=petsnl&ut
m_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20160912Z1&et_cid=DM116502&et_r
id=1661255178#_edn4)
The animals were given access to the puzzle boxes under different
scenarios. In one test, the animals were left alone with the box for 2
minutes.
Eight of the wolves opened the box during this test, compared to one shelter
dog and no pet dogs.
In the next test, the animals were given access to the puzzle with an
experimenter standing nearby. The results were nearly identical: eight wolves
succeeded in opening the box as did one pet dog, but no shelter dogs solved
the puzzle.
Of note, the dogs spent much more time gazing at the human than the
wolves did. The dogs that had previously failed to open the puzzle box were
then
given another chance, during which a human used gestures and spoke
positively to encourage the dogs to keep trying.
This time, four of the shelter dogs and one pet dog solved the puzzle,
and all the dogs spent much more time trying to solve the puzzle than they
had previously.
While the wolves are persistent and independent, working hard to solve
the problem on their own with little notice or expectation of help from
humans, dogs “prefer a social cognitive solution,” Udell said, meaning they
prefer to get help from their owner.
This is in part our “fault,” since we so often tell our dogs what to do
and, more often, what not to do. Udell told Science:_5_
(http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2016/09/12/dog-socio-cognitive-advancem
ent.aspx?utm_source=petsnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20
160912Z1&et_cid=DM116502&et_rid=1661255178#_edn5)
“It’s not that dogs can’t do it … But they don’t even try unless they’
re socially motivated … We tell them not to do things, so they learn to
inhibit their actions and to wait for directions from us …
The pet dogs seem to err on the side of caution, even though solving the
problem independently would be fine, and their owner is telling them that it
’s okay.”
I found this to be extremely interesting and of course wondered if any of
the dogs were German shepherd. Kathy Partch _www.JoKaySedona.com_
(http://www.jokaysedona.com/)