I think Iza referred to "tree trunk legs" meaning lost of substance. I never bought into the "coats have all the good temperament and all the substance"....I think they are so darn cute as puppies, and so fluffy, they are too cute not to like. However, reason will say that if they have a LOT of one thing (hair), surely they could have a lot of others....but that's not very scientific. I could say all black dogs have dark eyes....except I have seen black dogs with light eyes....they are kind of spooky. Or all sables have great pigment....that is just not true. As always, every generalization has it flaws. But all puertoricans can dance....you can take that to the bank <G> * Ileana * Love me, love my dogs. In a message dated 7/3/2012 10:15:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx writes: My first coat was a Mike daughter......very large, quite sharp, no tree-trunk legs, beautiful structure and movement. I have had two others....... again no tree-trunk legs, beautiful structure and movement, good temperament. However, I have seen several that have had deplorable temperament. Therefore, temperament improvement being a reason to use a coat in a breeding program won't fly, nor will using them to produce plush coat. Carolyn ________________________________ From: Iza <izaackerman@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Coats I personally strongly believe that there is something genetic in coats that give them the tree-trunk legs and good temp. Killing time at the airport in canada waiting for my flight cuz yesterday's flight was cancelled boo hoo Iza Will write more when I get home about my wonderful judging experience ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================