It has nothing to do with dirt - but with surviving in wet weather. Again, I herd frequently with a friend and her coated bitch. It is not a problem id dry weather, but in the wet (we do c-course so are out there for a couple of hours at a time) her dog soaks to the skin and gets cold while my dog just shakes the wet off and stays dry close to the skin. The coat has beautiful structure and is fit enough for the work, but her coat is not weather resistant. The briards we work with have very weather resistant coats. GSDs should be weather resistent unless they live in climate controlled environments. Ruth Deb Sullivan <victorysbullseye@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I hear this alot Ruth and beleive you But when I am out working and walking I don't think Bull pulls in any more dirt than the regular coat...My Wolf was not a coat and he pulled in more dirt than Bull, it amazed me...but I did call then Oscar and Phelix.. Bull and are about to start herding so I will let you know. Deb Deb and her Boys Victory's Bullseye,TT.,CGC.,CD,ASCACD. Victory's Dubh Mac Tire, CGC(Wolf) 01/23/05-03/28/2007,lost to PAA/EPI ----- Original Message ---- From: "pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx" To: ALL4MORIAH@xxxxxxx; Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; rightdogphoto@xxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:15:26 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Coats Thank you Ruth..you understood my point perfectly. Peggy > First of all, I love coats except when I am out herding on a wet day here in > the Northwest. Then it is glaringly obvious why coats are undesirable in a > working herding dog as compared to my normal coated dog who just shakes and > is almost dry. Isn't the point of having a standard to make sure the dogs > within the breed have the required traits that make the breed specific? I > always thought the idea was to get as close to perfect as possible rather > than just accepting everything. > I know most of our dogs do not work for a living, but isn't that original > purpose the reason for the breed? > > Ruth > on a damp day in Oregon > > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ Ruth "Strength and Wisdom are not conflicting values." --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================