I know Kay knows the difference...but, ..there is a difference between a long coat and a soft coat. Off hand, I can't think of a single herding/working breed that should have a soft coat. A herding or working dog with a SOFT coat is at a terrible disadvantage over a dog with a hard or rough coat, no matter the length. If the long coat is of correct texture there's really no problem... the problem is that most of what we call long coats are soft as well, with too much undercoat and insufficient hard topcoat to keep the dog a working animal.. The problems Pam mentioned can be attributed to soft coats more than to coats are simply long. Yes, soft coats get waterlogged, for one thing...as opposed to coats of the correct texture, which will repel water and not usually allow the dog to get soaked to the skin. The biggest disadvantage to a long coat is that it picks up more dirt and trash (leaves, sticks, etc)...when you think about the development of these breeds, however, you recognize that most of them weren't meant to be house dogs...so the dirt didn't matter too much. This isn't to say that no one ever allowed their Komondor in the house, etc., but the purpose of the dog was to work, not to be a fireside companion, regardless of all the Lassie stories. Ask some of the Puli people about the trash they find in their dogs' coats when they've been out running in the field. They make great jokes about it. The upshot of this is that a herding/working dog may have a long coat because the length won't keep the dog from working...but a soft coat gets wet and waterlogged....thereby making the dog susceptible to chilling as well as giving him more weight to carry around in the form of soaking wet hair and maybe ice as well.. Go and touch a correctly coated Collie, Old English, or Briard...and discover what a harsh coat feels like.....even if Briards today are groomed to look pretty silky, the correct coat is hard.........very different from a soft coat. Soft coats feel pretty much like undercoat..... when you brush/comb out a shedding GSD and find yourself with bags of undercoat, that's soft coat, and not the kind of coat you want on a working dog. It is true, sadly, that today many breeds of dog are shown in incorrect coat because their handlers have stripped out the good coat while getting rid of dead hair...leaving Bouviers, OES, and others in pretty, fluffy, poufy coats that are totally incorrect. Judges who don't know the difference make it worse by putting these dogs up. Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay Springer" <showgsd@xxxxxxx> >>> I really don't think this is correct. Look at the herding group, I >>> would say that over half of the herding breeds have long coats and >>> after seeing them herd it does not present a problem....a grooming >>> problem for the owners but not a working problem. And most dogs >>> that are herding on a continuing basis have very tough pads that do >>> not get cut up. JMHO ========================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================