Dominant means it is the one that shows....recessive means it doesn't always show, but if a recessive meets a recessive, the dog will be and will only produce that colour. Eyes in humans are the easiest way to understand dominant and recessive...........two blue eyed parents can't have a brown eyed child. One brown eyed parent with a blue eyed parent can have children with both blue and brown eyes...and the brown eyed child from such parents can have blue eyed children if the other parent carries blue........therefore, two brown eyed parents can have blue eyed children. Colour genetics are the easiest to understand....the problem lies in that not all colours are as the genes describe them.... what I mean there is genetically, green eyes may be blue...hazel eyes could be either blue or brown... If sable is dominant then a dog carrying a gene to produce sable will be sable but could be carrying another colour.....but a black or b/t dog can't carry sable, because the dominant colour will always show. If pure black is recessive (as one site claims it to be) then black is the only colour a black dog or bitch can pass on...and the incomplete dominance might result in black and tan -- however colour is only one part of the inheritance...there is also a gene that controls pattern....hence the "saddle" marked black and tan......which varies in how much black gets passed on and how big the saddle is. There is incomplete dominance, too...which is probably why there are so many variations of sable....... and if sable is a pure dominant, it should have wiped out all the other colours by now. Peggy Carolyn wrote: > * If it is dominant....can't both parents just carry sable as their "other > color" and be black and > tan and still produce sables??? If not......why not ? Does the sable > gene ALWAYS manifest itself > in the actual color of the dog?? > We bred a black and tan to a dark black and tan years ago and got one sable > bitch in > a litter of black and tans. I'm told this is not possible......( Hi Fred > <G> ) ......but it happened. > NO......we had no sable dogs on our property during that time.....bitch was > shipped anyway. > * I thought you just said sable ( the COLOR ) is dominant? If the color > sable is dominant > and you breed two sables together it seems to me you would get ONLY sables?? > * I know if you breed two blacks ( double recessive ) all you get is > solid black. > It seems to me.....<G>........IF sable is dominant....he will produce > sables??? If sable IS dominant > it should mean that a dog will produce sable even if the other dog does not > carry a sable factor? > > Color genetics make me dizzy and stupid and I need coffee......or > sleep.....getting dizzy....falling.....zzzzzz > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================