Let's talk about something else. It's abundantly apparent how a few people feel--we get it. Ellen and I used to call those dogs with white on their heads, backs, tails, CLOROX dogs, because they looked like someone had dumped bleach on them. I hear they "appeared" on the west coast first--from litters produced there (but obviously not on purpose.) My girlfriend (there) was accused by the stud dog owner of letting her bitch out and her getting nabbed by some other male. Did not happen, but the stud dog owner did NOT want to consider the possibility that her wonderful dog carried for this anomaly . It gets right back to the heart of things, doesn't it? Honesty and being forthright in a breeding program where the unexpected CAN and DOES happen. Penny in NC The Farm Dog Forever pandas, stripes, spotted ... use your imagination, folks - where do we draw the line? i think part of carolyn's point is that we DID draw the line when white became a DQ so why go backward now? for entries? members? MONEY? ya think? no, we can't legislate honesty - no one can. nor can we legislate ethics. there is a breed standard that has been in place for most of our collective lives in this sport. flame away, folks, but how can anyone call themselves an ethical breeder if they are intentionally breeding a DQ according to the standard? this whole thing has been engineered by a few and the smoke and mirrors they have produced will fool many. sad, so sad. diane =================================== carolyn martello wrote: "We HAVE"??? NO we don't...BECAUSE OF OUR BREED STANDARD!!! We cannot Legislate Honesty....only maintain the Breed Standard by keeping it intact. THAT'S MY POINT in all this!!!!! We must maintain our restrictions on color...or down the road someone will begin the process of making Panda's acceptable..because after all...they have the same DNA and one day, one may have a trainer that excels in Herding or Obedience work .....or their "NUMBERS" are increasing for membership and entries! SAME LOGIC!!! PLEASE....people....understand the point in this. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================